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Old 03-07-2009, 11:32 AM   #241
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I hate the internet on the touch/iPhone. It's fine for looking something up when on the go, but I'd never use it in the house or office where I have PCs and laptops. To hard to read many pages, hard to type etc. etc.
I don't do much "reading" on it (I find the multi-touch interface somewhat annoying for that purpose), nor does my Touch leave the house. I do a lot of quick email/RSS checking on it, and there are a lot of nice network-enabled apps that I use it for -- the thing paid for itself just with the Squeezebox control app (cheaper than buying a "unitasker" controller from Logitech).
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Old 03-07-2009, 11:40 AM   #242
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Just like an iTouch isn't worth it for someone that doesn't listen to music on the go much. They just sell better as our culture (at least younger generations) are much more into things like music, movies etc. than reading.
heh I would argue that an iPod Touch is not very good for listening to music on the go. For music its too big and bulky. its hard to control onehanded and or without looking at it to change songs or volume etc. My $50 refurbished Sansa is a much better mp3 music/podcast player than my iPod Touch purports to be. I mainly got the Touch for use with videos /app sotrea/ and as a mini webpad.

Of course I may be the exception to the rule, because I really dont read enough to buy an e-ink reader, although I have good intentions and I do love my PRS505
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Old 03-09-2009, 10:03 AM   #243
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Old 03-09-2009, 10:48 AM   #244
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I think the reason Amazon came out with a Kindle app just for the iPhone/iPod Touch has nothing to do with favoritism. It has to do with the fact that you cannot take a stock device, plug it into your computer's USB port and copy off the eBooks. So that still gives Amazon control with the ability to open their eBooks to more people.
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Old 03-09-2009, 11:19 AM   #245
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I think the reason Amazon came out with a Kindle app just for the iPhone/iPod Touch has nothing to do with favoritism. It has to do with the fact that you cannot take a stock device, plug it into your computer's USB port and copy off the eBooks. So that still gives Amazon control with the ability to open their eBooks to more people.
That seems unlikely, since you can just download the books to your computer anyway right from Amazon.
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Old 03-09-2009, 11:20 AM   #246
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That's precisely what I do, when possible (except I don't use Ubook). But most of the Amazon-only ebooks are in Topaz format, which is why the iPhone Kindle app is still superior to the Windows Mobile method, which is why I am very much NOT happy with the status quo. At least 30% of the books I want from Amazon are Topaz.
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Old 03-09-2009, 11:28 AM   #247
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That's precisely what I do, when possible (except I don't use Ubook). But most of the Amazon-only ebooks are in Topaz format, which is why the iPhone Kindle app is still superior to the Windows Mobile method, which is why I am very much NOT happy with the status quo. At least 30% of the books I want from Amazon are Topaz.
What kinds of books are you looking for that are 30% Topaz? Are they technical? Just trying to find a pattern.
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Old 03-09-2009, 11:30 AM   #248
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That seems unlikely, since you can just download the books to your computer anyway right from Amazon.
I don't think Amazon will let you download the ebooks to your PC of you don't own a Kindle.
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Old 03-09-2009, 11:35 AM   #249
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What kinds of books are you looking for that are 30% Topaz? Are they technical? Just trying to find a pattern.
Mostly science fiction and popular science. For books that are avaiable only at Amazon, it seems to be nearly 100%, if not actually 100%. For books that are available elsewhere, 0%. So I guess the real problem is that Amazon is the only one who sells some of the books I want, and they put them in Topaz format when that's the case.
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I don't think Amazon will let you download the ebooks to your PC of you don't own a Kindle.
Oh, good point. So if you only have an iPhone/iPod Touch registered, you can't download them directly but have to use the Kindle app on the device itself?
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heh I would argue that an iPod Touch is not very good for listening to music on the go. For music its too big and bulky.
Depends on what type of on the go use. I have two mp3 players.

1. 30GB Creative Zen Vision M. Pretty big and bulky. I have my entire music collection on this and use it to listen in the office, on airplanes etc. I'm an album listener, so I love having my whole collection with me.

2. 512MB Creative Muvo. Small flash based player that I use for working out, running etc.

So if I got an iTouch, it would be for purpose 1. But not plans since the 32GB model is so expensive (I paid $150 for my creative vision M over 2 years ago).
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I think the reason Amazon came out with a Kindle app just for the iPhone/iPod Touch has nothing to do with favoritism. It has to do with the fact that you cannot take a stock device, plug it into your computer's USB port and copy off the eBooks. So that still gives Amazon control with the ability to open their eBooks to more people.
You can still download to a computer, so long as you own and iPhone. I think that Apple and Amazon got together on this and made some sort of agreement. That is why it is on an Apple. I can't believe Amazon did this in a vacuum. Not being able to beam this to someone on the subway is an added benefit to them.

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Old 03-09-2009, 01:35 PM   #253
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Depends on what type of on the go use. I have two mp3 players.

1. 30GB Creative Zen Vision M. Pretty big and bulky. I have my entire music collection on this and use it to listen in the office, on airplanes etc. I'm an album listener, so I love having my whole collection with me.

2. 512MB Creative Muvo. Small flash based player that I use for working out, running etc.

So if I got an iTouch, it would be for purpose 1. But not plans since the 32GB model is so expensive (I paid $150 for my creative vision M over 2 years ago).
Certainly you can buy iPODs that have disk drives in them for less money than SSD devices, the price isn't totally Apple's fault. You are comparing apples and oranges or in this case Apples and Muvo's. Big and bulky is cheap, small and sleek is more expensive, who would have thought.

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Certainly you can buy iPODs that have disk drives in them for less money than SSD devices, the price isn't totally Apple's fault. You are comparing apples and oranges or in this case Apples and Muvo's. Big and bulky is cheap, small and sleek is more expensive, who would have thought.

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True. I just don't give a crap about small and sleek. And the Touch is pretty bulky, so I'd rather it just have been a hard drive based player and knocked the cost down some.

But I probably wouldn't buy one anyway as I'm just one of those anti-apple people. Sick of the hype, and just don't find their products worth the money compared to comparable products from other companies that sometimes offer more features (i.e. the Vision M had better sound quality, a better screen than the Video iPod at the time which was also an HDD player, and FM tuner built in--and cost roughly half as much).

I don't begrudge people who buy their products. But I doubt I ever will as I don't care to pay more for sleek devices that often do less than the competition. Though I'll readily admit that with the iTouch and iPhone they have a nice device that currently has no rival that does better.

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DaleDe, either you are confused or I am. If you want to buy a book from Amazon in Kindle format, you must own a Kindle, since such books are available only to a Kindle account whose setup requires that a Kindle (the one you own, and five others, if you wish to add them) be registered. Those books are downloaded to that Kindle. The Kindle for iphone was created to allow me to read on the iphone the same Kindle-formatted books I am reading on the Kindle, to the point where each device reads where I have stopped on the other. If you don't own a Kindle, why would you even bother with the iphone/Kindle app?
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