Adobe Digital Editions support - Page 4

alehel · 02-20-2009, 08:42 AM

Choice is always a great thing. Telling people who have epub files that they need to convert them to a different format isn't exactly userfriendly, and will therefore not help widen the userbase. We need more userfriendly devices.

Jellby · 02-20-2009, 10:54 AM

I DO care about ePUB and PDB (not about DRM, I'm not likely to buy any DRMed ebook any time soon), but I also want folder support, and better dictionary lookup, and configurable margins and spacing, and adjustable gamma/brightness[*], etc.

[*] For images. Even if the 4 gray levels are always the same absolute levels, the mapping between the image colours and the screen grays could be changed.

ProfJulie · 02-20-2009, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by nelsonescorcio

A few months ago I would ask you if I could join the club. Today, I still read mostly DRM mobi BUT I am not so sure anymore about the future of the format: Amazon does not seem very interested in it, and Epub could very well being the format of the future. And that could be a good thing, since it's an open one.

Being able to choose is also good anyway.

But I do agree that folder support is a must. And I am getting sick of waiting for it.

I'm really not concerned that much about the future of mobi since I can (and do) strip out the DRM from mobi books just as soon as I purchase them, and since I know I can always purchase LIT books, strip the DRM from them and convert them to mobi format (Thank you MobileRead for those tools). Even if mobipocket formatted books disappear completely, I'll still be able to read my books on my Cybook.

Choice and flexiblity are always good things, so I'm all for Bookeen's continued support and enhancement of my Cybook. But I fear that Bookeen has gotten distracted by some of these more lofty goals and lost sight of some of the basic functionality that we have been waiting and waiting and are still waiting on.

JSWolf · 02-20-2009, 05:16 PM

just strip the DRM from the ePub and use Calibre to convert to Mobipocket. Case closed.

Jellby · 02-21-2009, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

just strip the DRM from the ePub and use Calibre to convert to Mobipocket. Case closed.

Unfortunately, Mobipocket is not equivalent to ePub. The formatting in an ePub book can be much more elaborate than in a Mobipocket one, and most of that can be lost in conversion. It's usually fine if you just want to read the text, but you can use .txt for that, after all.

HarryT · 02-21-2009, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Jellby

Unfortunately, Mobipocket is not equivalent to ePub. The formatting in an ePub book can be much more elaborate than in a Mobipocket one, and most of that can be lost in conversion. It's usually fine if you just want to read the text, but you can use .txt for that, after all.

But I think that "can be more elaborate" is the important thing. Yes, ePub files can have much more elaborate formatting than Mobi is able to support, but I rather suspect that in the overwhelming majority of fiction, those advanced capabilities of ePub are not used.

HarryT · 02-21-2009, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

So how can Bookeen add in Adobe DRM and still keep Mobipocket on the Gen3? Sounds like someone at Bookeen didn't read the contract they signed.

Presumably the same way that iRex also can, given that they've announced the same thing for the DR1000:

http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39555

... and, like the Gen3, the DR1000 also supports Mobi DRM.

It certainly sounds as though perhaps Adobe and Mobi have reached some sort of agreement on having both types of DRM on a device.

JSWolf · 02-21-2009, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Jellby

Unfortunately, Mobipocket is not equivalent to ePub. The formatting in an ePub book can be much more elaborate than in a Mobipocket one, and most of that can be lost in conversion. It's usually fine if you just want to read the text, but you can use .txt for that, after all.

Most ePub books are just ordinary eBooks in a differnet container. So really, most will convert fine.

What I would like to see is some of these more complexly aid out eBooks that are in PDF be release as ePub. But for now, most will be convertible to another format easily enough using Calibre.

Krystian Galaj · 02-21-2009, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

The restriction appears to be on "pre-installed" software only, so if you have a platform on which software can be installed (eg desktop PCs, PDAs, Smartphones) it doesn't apply. Unfortunately none of the eInk devices (with the exception of iRex) are "open" in terms of being able to install your own applications on them.

Well, Cybook internally has Linux installed. Certain number of programs run from firmware, but there's nothing that stops the Bookeen engineers to make other programs run from memory.

If the Adobe DRM reader is just am executable file, with instructions: "copy this file to main memory, and the Cybook will start supporting Adobe DRM", it will be just a typical software installation - won't it?

Edit: they could even ask Adobe to host this file on Adobe site, as "Acrobat Reader for Cybook".

Jellby · 02-21-2009, 08:58 AM

Maybe even having Adobe DRM support as a firmware update (not pre-installed) could avoid the problem.

Justy · 02-21-2009, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Krystian Galaj

Edit: they could even ask Adobe to host this file on Adobe site, as "Acrobat Reader for Cybook".

In my mind this would solve all issues, after all this is what I do for my PDA. My PDA can run eReader, Mobi, and Adobe all installed at the same time, as long as the install files are available for my hardware.

EowynCarter · 03-15-2009, 08:52 AM

Well, the news is a bit old now, but i just read about it.

that's cool. Maybe i'll be able to read the pdf's from Eyrolls now. Right now, they are too big, and the readder just crash.

Is getting rid of the DRM on Epub's possible ? If so, then, Epub is one more format i can get.

JSWolf · 03-15-2009, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by EowynCarter

Well, the news is a bit old now, but i just read about it.

that's cool. Maybe i'll be able to read the pdf's from Eyrolls now. Right now, they are too big, and the readder just crash.

Is getting rid of the DRM on Epub's possible ? If so, then, Epub is one more format i can get.

Even if these PDFs do work, they won't look nice. Why people think PDF makes a good eBook format I have no idea. I would like ePub to replace PDF for that purpose and then we can have more complex formats that we can read without issue.

Abelturd · 03-15-2009, 10:34 AM

Actually, PDFs make excellent ebooks if you format them right. Of course you can't expect a PDF formatted for the size of A4 to display neatly on a device with 6" screen.

EowynCarter · 03-15-2009, 12:09 PM

Nah. Mobi is definifly better than pdf for E-books. pdf where never meant to be an E-book format.

02-20-2009, 05:16 PM	#49
JSWolf Mobile Reader Geek Posts: 34,224 Karma: 13801376 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Sony Reader PRS-650, iPad	just strip the DRM from the ePub and use Calibre to convert to Mobipocket. Case closed. __________________ Jon 2013 Reading List

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02-20-2009, 08:42 AM	#46
alehel Connoisseur Posts: 80 Karma: 10 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Norway Device: Cybook Gen 3	Choice is always a great thing. Telling people who have epub files that they need to convert them to a different format isn't exactly userfriendly, and will therefore not help widen the userbase. We need more userfriendly devices.

02-20-2009, 10:54 AM	#47
Jellby frumious Bandersnatch Posts: 5,144 Karma: 2505637 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spaniard in Sweden Device: Cybook Orizon	I DO care about ePUB and PDB (not about DRM, I'm not likely to buy any DRMed ebook any time soon), but I also want folder support, and better dictionary lookup, and configurable margins and spacing, and adjustable gamma/brightness[], etc. [] For images. Even if the 4 gray levels are always the same absolute levels, the mapping between the image colours and the screen grays could be changed.

02-21-2009, 08:58 AM	#55
Jellby frumious Bandersnatch Posts: 5,144 Karma: 2505637 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spaniard in Sweden Device: Cybook Orizon	Maybe even having Adobe DRM support as a firmware update (not pre-installed) could avoid the problem.

03-15-2009, 08:52 AM	#57
EowynCarter Wizard Posts: 3,782 Karma: 1463030 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Paris Device: Cybooks; Sony PRS-T1	Well, the news is a bit old now, but i just read about it. that's cool. Maybe i'll be able to read the pdf's from Eyrolls now. Right now, they are too big, and the readder just crash. Is getting rid of the DRM on Epub's possible ? If so, then, Epub is one more format i can get.

03-15-2009, 10:34 AM	#59
Abelturd Little Fuzzy Soldier Posts: 580 Karma: 5711 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Nowhere in particular. Device: cybook gen3, htc hero, ipaq 214	Actually, PDFs make excellent ebooks if you format them right. Of course you can't expect a PDF formatted for the size of A4 to display neatly on a device with 6" screen.

03-15-2009, 12:09 PM	#60
EowynCarter Wizard Posts: 3,782 Karma: 1463030 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Paris Device: Cybooks; Sony PRS-T1	Nah. Mobi is definifly better than pdf for E-books. pdf where never meant to be an E-book format.


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