Kindle Myths and Partial Truths - Page 4

montsnmags · 02-11-2009, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by desertgrandma

This isn't 'numerous forums". It isn't a Sony Forum, or a Kindle forum. Its MobileRead, an every e-book reader forum.

I'll also take up the mantle against the "Go back to the Sony forum" bit. If the point of this is to make plain the myths, truths and partial truths about the Kindle, it would be far better served with all people offering their opinions and observations, even if critical or contradictory (since a lot of the premised "outsiders" may have considered the Kindle prior to their choice of device). It allows far better refinement of both this thread, and the wiki, if it moves towards precision. From a purely objective standpoint, even Jon's subjectivity (and that's without mentioning his objective references) is, in the end, helpful.

That is to say, I'm a huge fan of "myths and facts" articles. Let's not let this descend to accusation and petty squabble, hey, if only for the sake of the OP and their helpful intent.

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And we stay civil.

Up yours, dg.

Cheers,
Marc

pilotbob · 02-11-2009, 11:09 PM

Someone calls the trolls out and look who shows up...

Hi Marc.

desertgrandma · 02-11-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by montsnmags

Up yours, dg.

Cheers,
Marc

Right back atcha, Marc!

Daithi · 02-11-2009, 11:21 PM

JSWolf,

You were being pedantic. Yes, "The Kindle doesn't have a backlight" is not a partial truth. However, the title of the thread is "Myths and Partial Truths" so I used the term "partial truth" in that spirit -- as I addressed a misconception.

bwaldron · 02-11-2009, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Daithi

JSWolf has been here a long time, posts a lot, and is well respected.

Jon's OK in my book, even if I don't always agree with his positions. He's pretty up-front about them

(And the post at issue was exactly correct -- the backlight issue isn't a partial truth).

People seem to be getting a mite testy lately!

Donnageddon · 02-12-2009, 12:21 AM

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Up yours, dg.

Marc is debuting his campaign for Secretary of State of the land of Oz.

Donnageddon · 02-12-2009, 12:31 AM

Dearest Patricia

Quote:

"You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar."

But if you really want to catch flies, try spreading the manure!

TadW · 02-12-2009, 02:04 AM

I think this is an excellent thread (and an excellent entry for the Wiki), so let's please stick to the topic and either accept or ignore Jon's personal opinion. Personally I don't agree with his view of evilness in the world (Amazon books have DRM, so what? Sony books have DRM, too). As a final resort, there is also the option to put someone on the ignore list...

montsnmags · 02-12-2009, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by pilotbob

Someone calls the trolls out and look who shows up...

Hi Marc.

Myth: I eat trolls for breakfast
Fact: Some days I like a bit of scrambled orc on toast instead

FWIW, I's just tryin' to get the thread back on-message for the OP. While I might not agree with all Jon's opinions, nor his way of placing them, I think cogent rebuttal is far more constructive and convincing than letting the thread descend to off-topic accusation - coherent and non-vehement response makes any "trolling" readily apparent to those who will deal with such things. Thus, my post.

Honest, I didn't just "show up" - this thread interests me for the reasons I state (I love "Myth vs. Fact" stuff), and because if the Kindle was available in Oz I'd have bought one straight up, easy choice, no worries. I've loved the Kindle from 1, and I don't mind 2 either. I range over the different device areas because it all (every gadget) interests me. I'm not a device-loyalist nor a company-loyalist.

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Originally Posted by desertgrandma

Right back atcha, Marc!

You know I love ya, dg.

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Originally Posted by TadW

I think this is an excellent thread (and an excellent entry for the Wiki), so let's please stick to the topic and either accept or ignore Jon's personal opinion.
...

Aye, that's what I was trying to say, but perhaps I just wasn't the right person to say it, yeah?

Cheers,
Marc

Dr. Drib · 02-12-2009, 06:10 AM

We have different opinions here, and we voice those differing opinons with (dare I say it?) respectful attitudes when posting, whether it be from a moderator or from a member.

I think most of us here are reasonable men and women who certainly know the definitions of the words "myth" and "truth."

Here's a thought that sometimes astonishes people: HAVE FUN!

(Yes, there is subtext here, but please notice that I've included mucho happy faces.)

Don

nelamvr6 · 02-12-2009, 09:15 AM

At the risk of once again veering this thread off topic...

Having had a night to sleep on it, I have come to the conclusion that I behaved badly last night.

I still feel that JSWolf was being at least slightly trollish, but that did not justify my postings, which were at best unwise.

I apologize to all, and promise to behave better in future.

slayda · 02-12-2009, 09:51 AM

Getting back to the intent of this thread.

Myth - You can't buy an ebook from Amazon unless you have a Kindle registered with them, even if it is DRM free or just Mobipocket.

Truth - (Someone with a Kindle Please answer. I'd really like to know.)

pshrynk · 02-12-2009, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by slayda

Getting back to the intent of this thread.

Myth - You can't buy an ebook from Amazon unless you have a Kindle registered with them, even if it is DRM free or just Mobipocket.

Truth - (Someone with a Kindle Please answer. I'd really like to know.)

Right now, that is the truth. However, with some of the news that has been bandied about, ie Amazon books for phones, that may change in the future.

Daithi · 02-12-2009, 10:44 AM

Partial Truth: The Kindle is worthless outside the U.S. because of the lack of Whispernet.

Truth: If you live outside the U.S. and manage to get your hands on a Kindle you can still buy books and get them onto the Kindle even without access to Whispernet. Amazon allows you download your ebook purchases to your computer, so after downloading them you just use the USB cable to load the ebooks onto the Kindle.

Truth: Amazon only ships Kindles to U.S. addresses. So if you live outside the U.S. and want a Kindle you will need to have it shipped to a U.S. friend who will then ship it to you. (I'm not sure if Amazon checks the "billing address" of credit cards and won't sell a Kindle if it is not in the U.S.)

Welcome to Mobileread NELAMVR6

Alexander Turcic · 02-12-2009, 10:51 AM

Daithi, those are excellent (partial) truths.

I hear it again and again from my colleagues in Switzerland that the Kindle is "useless" to them since they cannot use the wireless feature. Obviously not right.

02-11-2009, 11:09 PM	#47
pilotbob Grand Sorcerer Posts: 18,789 Karma: 4829359 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tampa, FL USA Device: Kindle Touch	Someone calls the trolls out and look who shows up... Hi Marc. __________________ Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence. --Napoleon Bonaparte

02-11-2009, 11:21 PM	#49
Daithi Publishers are evil! Posts: 2,418 Karma: 36205264 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Rhode Island Device: Various Kindles	JSWolf, You were being pedantic. Yes, "The Kindle doesn't have a backlight" is not a partial truth. However, the title of the thread is "Myths and Partial Truths" so I used the term "partial truth" in that spirit -- as I addressed a misconception. Last edited by Daithi; 02-11-2009 at 11:25 PM.

02-12-2009, 02:04 AM	#53
TadW Uebermensch Posts: 2,533 Karma: 889242 Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Italy Device: Kindle	I think this is an excellent thread (and an excellent entry for the Wiki), so let's please stick to the topic and either accept or ignore Jon's personal opinion. Personally I don't agree with his view of evilness in the world (Amazon books have DRM, so what? Sony books have DRM, too). As a final resort, there is also the option to put someone on the ignore list... __________________ "It doesn't matter how good or bad the product is, the fact is that people don't read anymore." - Apple's Steve Jobs, Jan 15, 2008

02-12-2009, 06:10 AM	#55
Dr. Drib Grand Sorcerer Posts: 21,960 Karma: 7572235 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: San Borja (Lima), Peru Device: Pcktbk 360; Kindle Paperwhite (WiFi)/ Fire HD; nook STR & Col; KoboGlo	We have different opinions here, and we voice those differing opinons with (dare I say it?) respectful attitudes when posting, whether it be from a moderator or from a member. I think most of us here are reasonable men and women who certainly know the definitions of the words "myth" and "truth." Here's a thought that sometimes astonishes people: HAVE FUN! (Yes, there is subtext here, but please notice that I've included mucho happy faces.) Don __________________ “How to Write the First 3 Paragraphs of YOUR Indie Novel” - by Max Waxwelp 1) Always write 3 sentences of exposition; 2) now create some dialogue, preferably no more than 2 sentences; and 3) make certain the dialogue is either inane or humorous. Example: “Bob, I did not know you wore yellow suspenders,” Sally remarked. “Gee, Sally, those are not suspenders. I am wearing yellow underwear today,” Bob revealed. The dialogue above will help produce at least 100 more pages of dialogue.

02-12-2009, 09:51 AM	#57
slayda Retired & reading more! Posts: 2,700 Karma: 871861 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: North Alabama, USA Device: EZ Reader, Kindle 1, NookColor, iPad 4, iPhone 5	Getting back to the intent of this thread. Myth - You can't buy an ebook from Amazon unless you have a Kindle registered with them, even if it is DRM free or just Mobipocket. Truth - (Someone with a Kindle Please answer. I'd really like to know.) __________________ "People generally see what they look for and hear what they listen for" - Harper Lee

02-12-2009, 09:15 AM	#56
nelamvr6 Zealot Posts: 133 Karma: 416 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: New London, CT USA Device: Kindle 2	At the risk of once again veering this thread off topic... Having had a night to sleep on it, I have come to the conclusion that I behaved badly last night. I still feel that JSWolf was being at least slightly trollish, but that did not justify my postings, which were at best unwise. I apologize to all, and promise to behave better in future.

02-12-2009, 10:44 AM	#59
Daithi Publishers are evil! Posts: 2,418 Karma: 36205264 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Rhode Island Device: Various Kindles	Partial Truth: The Kindle is worthless outside the U.S. because of the lack of Whispernet. Truth: If you live outside the U.S. and manage to get your hands on a Kindle you can still buy books and get them onto the Kindle even without access to Whispernet. Amazon allows you download your ebook purchases to your computer, so after downloading them you just use the USB cable to load the ebooks onto the Kindle. Truth: Amazon only ships Kindles to U.S. addresses. So if you live outside the U.S. and want a Kindle you will need to have it shipped to a U.S. friend who will then ship it to you. (I'm not sure if Amazon checks the "billing address" of credit cards and won't sell a Kindle if it is not in the U.S.) Welcome to Mobileread NELAMVR6

02-12-2009, 10:51 AM	#60
Alexander Turcic Fully Converged Posts: 16,292 Karma: 3610100 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Switzerland Device: Sony PRS-650	Daithi, those are excellent (partial) truths. I hear it again and again from my colleagues in Switzerland that the Kindle is "useless" to them since they cannot use the wireless feature. Obviously not right.

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