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Old 01-24-2009, 04:14 PM   #1
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What a waste of time - FOLDERS NEEDED

I see there is a new version of software rolling out, but it does not have the most important feature, folders!

I admit I am a pretty anal person (after all, I am a tax lawyer) but this is getting ridiculous. Although all my books were formatted correctly (I thought), about half were sorting by author's first name. I wouldn't care so much if I could sort everything into folders, but since alphabetizing is the only way to currently sort, it was driving me crazy. So, I stayed up all night using mobi2mobi to get everything corrected. I have 200 books, so it did take a little time.

Now, I am fooling around with 3 books that didn't convert correctly. I don't mind that, because it isn't as mindless as changing author format. What a waste of time. Except for this, I love my kindle.

I know, rant, rant, rant.
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Old 01-24-2009, 07:50 PM   #2
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The best way is to keep petitioning Amazon until they give us folders. I suspect we wont get folders until Kindle v2 comes out.
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Old 01-24-2009, 07:55 PM   #3
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I suspect we wont get folders until Kindle v2 comes out.
Why do you suspect that?

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Old 01-27-2009, 09:11 AM   #4
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I totally agree with this!

It drives my crazy to have several books in a series on my Kindle and not having a way to indicate the correct reading order.

Mobi2Mobi can't edit metadata on DRM'd books so that doesn't help, and in any event I can't seem to get it to work if I point it at books on the Kindle (I.E. using it as a USB drive without moving the books off it to my PC hard drive). All that does is produce a lockup...

It is ludicrous for a reader with a keyboard to have no way to add comments to the metadata on the device's storage.

And yes, I have tried the method of creating a text file with the correct reading order. That's dumb. I mean that is REALLY dumb to have to do...
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Mobi2Mobi can't edit metadata on DRM'd books so that doesn't help,
Actually, I'm pretty sure it can.

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Old 01-27-2009, 10:14 AM   #6
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It can indeed. The metadata for Mobi files is stored separately from the DRM'd book text, so the fact that a book is DRM-enhanced doesn't affect one's ability to edit the metadata.
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Old 01-27-2009, 10:15 AM   #7
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Why do you suspect that?

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I suspect the same... SW right now are focusing on getting the new HW up and running. They may also be rolling in some interface improvements in this branch. Prior to release (or a month or so later) we may see the two code forks merge back into one baseline.

Its just a possibility, but other consumer product dev teams do this. Tivo for example. A new product line has basic UI improvements.. and a few months later (or in Tivo's case a lot of months later) they merge into one unified build.

Some HW differences create different features sets, but the overall code base and UI improvements come a long.
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I've got my books organized into folders on my Kindle. But, I suspect you are talking about the ability to see folders on the menu?

That would be nice, if only because you wouldn't have to page through so many books if they were sorted in folders via author .... or whatever.

As for reading order, what I've been doing is setting up reading lists, converting them to mobi and then putting them on my Kindle as a new book. So, for example, I've got my 37 (or so) Pratchett Discworld books listed in publication order, and when it's time for the next one, I just go to that book .... look it up .... and on to the next.

Since the "correct" reading order is available online for many authors, it can be a simple to take the html or do a block and copy. Saves having to type it.

(And, no .... I don't think I'm violating anyone's copyright by doing that anymore than if I xeroxed one page out of a book for my own personal use.)
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Another nice thing about implementing a hierarchial "Home" menu on the Kindle: folders would be one way of handling books that are part of a series, and it wouldn't even require adding a "series" field to the metadata.

Man, that would be cool.

RickyMaveety, your method is intriguing as a stop-gap measure in the meantime. I think I'll try that.
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Old 02-02-2009, 10:26 PM   #11
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The best way is to keep petitioning Amazon until they give us folders. I suspect we wont get folders until Kindle v2 comes out.
I agree, I really don't think Amazon will bother at this stage in the game.
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Old 02-02-2009, 10:37 PM   #12
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Another nice thing about implementing a hierarchial "Home" menu on the Kindle: folders would be one way of handling books that are part of a series, and it wouldn't even require adding a "series" field to the metadata.

Man, that would be cool.

RickyMaveety, your method is intriguing as a stop-gap measure in the meantime. I think I'll try that.
Just use your 500 to read books in a series and create collections.
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Old 02-03-2009, 08:56 AM   #13
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As for reading order, what I've been doing is setting up reading lists, converting them to mobi and then putting them on my Kindle as a new book. So, for example, I've got my 37 (or so) Pratchett Discworld books listed in publication order, and when it's time for the next one, I just go to that book .... look it up .... and on to the next.
Another way of doing it is to edit the metadata for the book and add the series name and book "order" to the title, so they then sort correctly by series and book.

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Since the "correct" reading order is available online for many authors, it can be a simple to take the html or do a block and copy. Saves having to type it.
Agreed. Best site for that that I know of is:

http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk

A superb resource for both current and past authors.
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Another way of doing it is to edit the metadata for the book and add the series name and book "order" to the title, so they then sort correctly by series and book.
I do something similar with the title of my recipe files to get them to all sort together in the right groupings when I want to browse rather than search them. I've also stored a lot of my pbooks in boxes since I'm out of shelf space. I keep track of the box contents in a big spreadsheet. It has columns for just that purpose so I can search by series even when I can't remember the title of each individual book. I'm amazed how many of the paper books don't list this information, either. It seems a natural thing to be able to set in metada or to print in the pbook. Some of these books haven't been read in 20 years and we don't remember which order they go in. I'm so glad that sites like FantasticFiction.co.uk exist.
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Just use your 500 to read books in a series and create collections.
But my wife uses the 500 and I use the Kindle.
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