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Old 12-30-2009, 12:57 PM   #76
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Harry, I'm curious why DRM doesn't bother you. Is it that you don't normally want to pass your books on to other people? Or, is that you know how to remove the DRM without much effort? Or do you think people should pay to read a book every time? Or is it something else entirely?
It doesn't bother me because ePub is rapidly becoming a universal standard, so it doesn't restrict the choice of device that I can buy. No, I never pass books onto anyone else - paper or electronic.
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Old 12-30-2009, 02:19 PM   #77
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It doesn't bother me because ePub is rapidly becoming a universal standard, so it doesn't restrict the choice of device that I can buy.
Only because we are ADE in every device, with all its glitches and shortcomings. It's as if we could only use IE as a browser in our computers (or as if websites only worked with IE).
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Old 12-30-2009, 02:28 PM   #78
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Only because we are ADE in every device, with all its glitches and shortcomings. It's as if we could only use IE as a browser in our computers (or as if websites only worked with IE).
And the different implementations are different. Since the Gen3/Opus does not support hyphenation I cannot stand to read non-justified text. So if the justification is hard coded in a DRM:ed book the book is useless for me. So DRM is a real obstacle here for getting to use the functionality of your reader (reading justified text).
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Old 12-30-2009, 07:35 PM   #79
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Remember Paperback Digital? They sold Mobipocket format eBooks. So if you had say a Gen3 back then and bought some eBooks from there, you cannot take them to Any other reader. But if they were ePub, you could authorize your ADE compatible reader and take them along.

I am not talking about stripping DRM and format shifting. This is just plain old DRM and what you can and cannot do.
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Old 12-30-2009, 07:42 PM   #80
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And the different implementations are different. Since the Gen3/Opus does not support hyphenation I cannot stand to read non-justified text. So if the justification is hard coded in a DRM:ed book the book is useless for me. So DRM is a real obstacle here for getting to use the functionality of your reader (reading justified text).
That unfortunately is a problem with DRM. Some ePubs are coded for left justification. And there's really nothing you can do other then strip the DRM and fix the CSS.
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That unfortunately is a problem with DRM. Some ePubs are coded for left justification. And there's really nothing you can do other then strip the DRM and fix the CSS.
If your device supports user stylesheets, you could use CSS such as
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If your device supports user stylesheets, you could use CSS such as
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p { text-align: justify !important; }
But that would not override the justify in the CSS of the ePub. So if left justify is specified then it it would be left justified.
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But that would not override the justify in the CSS of the ePub. So if left justify is specified then it it would be left justified.
No, it wouldn't - that's where !important comes into play.
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Old 12-31-2009, 10:52 AM   #84
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But that would not override the justify in the CSS of the ePub. So if left justify is specified then it it would be left justified.
The style with "!important" from a user css file should get a higher priority by the reading system and overwrite the styles used in the css-files of the ePub.
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Old 12-31-2009, 11:00 AM   #85
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The style with "!important" from a user css file should get a higher priority by the reading system and overwrite the styles used in the css-files of the ePub.
That is correct, but mobile ADE does not honour "!important". It is still worth adding, because it is part of the ePub standard and eventually conforming ePub apps will use it.
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Old 12-31-2009, 11:10 AM   #86
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Note that it won't work anyway if the book uses <p class="text"> or something similar...
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And the problem is that not all ePub are the same. We've found that an ePub from one shop doesn't have to be the same as an ePub from another shop.
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In general, with HTML it's very hard to allow the user to override things over a whole document, as almost everything can be set at the level of individual blocks and those setting take precedence.
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That doesn't mean it's not VERY useful to be able to set a user stylesheet... just that one will likely have to alter it to suit particular books from time to time.
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In general, with HTML it's very hard to allow the user to override things over a whole document, as almost everything can be set at the level of individual blocks and those setting take precedence.
This is very true (although, I'd say this is CSS problem in general - it is not much easier with DTBook, for instance) and I see a lot of friction there as devices start to utilize user stylesheets more. Note that doing blind overrides (e.g. overriding justify or font on p element) is not very good solution because some parts of the book may require particular style: for instance, poetry and code samples should be left-justified and math formulas typically require a specific font. What is needed is a guide on how to author documents so that user stylesheets can selectively override only things which are meant to be overridable.
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