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Old 11-19-2008, 06:40 PM   #1
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Chicago Public Library / Overdrive

I know this has been posted before, but "big city" libraries offer downloadable media, including e-books.

I decided to try this, since I'm now in Chicago and got my library card yesterday evening. It was painless. Go to the site, browse media, go through a simple "checkout" process where I registered my MobiPocket PID (one time only step), and then downloaded the book.

I was able to get my book onto my Reader through the typical route one takes with DRM'd mobi files.

I expect that the PC copy of the book with Mobipocket Reader will self-delete or otherwise become unreadable after the 21 day loan period. It will be up to me to honor that and manually delete the book on my Reader.
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Old 11-19-2008, 08:14 PM   #2
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Good point, Taylor.
For anyone who wants to explore ebook libraries further, there's a list on our wiki here:
http://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/EBook_Lending_Libraries
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Old 11-19-2008, 09:47 PM   #3
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I should point out that when I've done this with ebooks in PDF format that I've checked out from digital libraries and that I've read on my Sony Reader via Adobe Digital Editions, the expiration date (2 or 3 weeks depending on the library) shows up on the Reader in the menu. Once the expiration date is reached, it displays "Expired" but continues to be readable for another 2 or 3 weeks. That is, I believe it is automatically renewed for the normal checkout period.
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Old 11-19-2008, 10:15 PM   #4
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I will see what happens on my Reader, with the altered/convered Mobi file. I highly doubt there will be any expiration issue, because it's not longer in the native format. With Adobe Books, Sony has native software on the Reader for that. But as I said, out of respect for libraries in general, I will respect the expiration and delete the book when I'm done with it.

I was surprised at how easy it was. I expected a bigger hassle. Nope. Library card number, zip code, checkout, download, done.
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Old 11-20-2008, 01:06 PM   #5
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I check out eBooks from the Fairfax, VA public library in ADE and they do disappear after 21 days.
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Old 11-20-2008, 01:45 PM   #6
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Yes with ADE. Again, Sony Reader has native ADE support. I checked out a Mobi book, however. To steps it took to read it on my Reader, which doesn't have Mobi support, likely rendered the expiration mechanism inoperable.
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Old 11-22-2008, 06:22 AM   #7
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This is probably a silly question however what is the normal route for DRM'd mobi books?
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Old 11-22-2008, 11:11 AM   #8
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This is probably a silly question however what is the normal route for DRM'd mobi books?
Use mobidedrm to strip the DRM, then Calibre to format shift. Since the DRM has gone, so has the 21 day time limit.

Many libraries also offer Adobe ebooks (again from OverDrive), which are readable directly on the PRS-505, but the MOBI route is the only option for the PRS-500. Most other EInk devices (including the Kindle, via kindlefix) can read the DRMed MOBIs from OverDrive. So the PRS-500 is unusual in not being able to read either of the two library DRMed ebook formats.
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Old 11-28-2008, 11:01 AM   #9
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Use mobidedrm to strip the DRM, then Calibre to format shift. Since the DRM has gone, so has the 21 day time limit.

Many libraries also offer Adobe ebooks (again from OverDrive), which are readable directly on the PRS-505, but the MOBI route is the only option for the PRS-500. Most other EInk devices (including the Kindle, via kindlefix) can read the DRMed MOBIs from OverDrive. So the PRS-500 is unusual in not being able to read either of the two library DRMed ebook formats.
If you can strip the DRM from a Mobipocket eBook, why bother with Kindlefix (for those who own a Kindle)?
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If you can strip the DRM from a Mobipocket eBook, why bother with Kindlefix (for those who own a Kindle)?
Because there is an ethical problem in stripping DRM, particular for a book you do not own. It is called copyright infringement or some would say stealing.

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Because there is an ethical problem in stripping DRM, particular for a book you do not own. It is called copyright infringement or some would say stealing.

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If you are an ethical person, you can just delete it when the time is up.
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Because there is an ethical problem in stripping DRM, particular for a book you do not own. It is called copyright infringement or some would say stealing.

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Ethical problem no doubt but the "copyright infringement" thing depends on the country you live in.

For example in Spain or Poland (and possibly in many other european countries) you can legally download eBooks that had been illegaly shared. It's called fair use (and is legal) as long as you don't share it yourself which means you can't use peer2peer networks but Rapidshare, Megaupload and the like are all fine to download from.

To make it clear: this is not the way it works in the US.
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In the USA, stripping the DRM is illegal per the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.

Not that anyone will ever know you've done it if you don't post that you have in a public forum or something…
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In the USA, stripping the DRM is illegal per the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.

Not that anyone will ever know you've done it if you don't post that you have in a public forum or something…
If the eBook in question prevents a read aloud feature like with MS Reader's DRM, then the exception to the DMCA is that you CAN legally remove the DRM.
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If the eBook in question prevents a read aloud feature like with MS Reader's DRM, then the exception to the DMCA is that you CAN legally remove the DRM.
I'd like to see that tested in a court of law, where someone who is not handicapped enough to need a read-aloud feature (or indeed, who doesn't even use one at all) uses that as a defense. Something tells me it wouldn't get very far.
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