Register Guidelines E-Books Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   MobileRead Forums > E-Book Readers > More E-Book Readers > Bookeen

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 10-10-2008, 07:42 AM   #31
pthwaite
Fanatic
pthwaite has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.pthwaite has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.pthwaite has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.pthwaite has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.pthwaite has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.
 
pthwaite's Avatar
 
Posts: 598
Karma: 430
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Ellesmere Port, UK
Device: DR1000S Sony PRS505 iPad iPhone
Tend to agree with Harry. Just ask anyone on the telephone when they say I'll ring back in a minute.
pthwaite is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2008, 07:54 AM   #32
astra
The Introvert
astra ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.astra ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.astra ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.astra ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.astra ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.astra ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.astra ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.astra ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.astra ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.astra ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.astra ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
astra's Avatar
 
Posts: 8,308
Karma: 1000077497
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: United Kingdom
Device: Sony Reader PRS-650 & 505 & 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by HarryT View Post
Believe me, if an English speaker says to you "I'll phone you back in a minute", they will not mean "precisely 60 seconds"; they could mean 5 or 10 minutes.
& pthwaite

Absolutely true. Believe me, I believe you

However, there is a subtle difference between your example and discussing features of a gadget, where every second counts.
astra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2008, 01:15 PM   #33
Ned
Ebook reader
Ned began at the beginning.
 
Posts: 116
Karma: 33
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: York, England
Device: Kindle Paperwhite
Is this the same thing as when a plumber says he'll come Tuesday?
Ned is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2008, 01:23 PM   #34
HarryT
eBook Enthusiast
HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
HarryT's Avatar
 
Posts: 65,503
Karma: 43957509
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: UK
Device: Kindle Voyage, iPad Mini, iPhone 4, MS Surface Pro, N7
Exactly, Ned - you've got it!
HarryT is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2008, 01:55 PM   #35
pilotbob
Grand Sorcerer
pilotbob ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pilotbob ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pilotbob ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pilotbob ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pilotbob ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pilotbob ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pilotbob ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pilotbob ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pilotbob ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pilotbob ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pilotbob ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
pilotbob's Avatar
 
Posts: 19,634
Karma: 11390499
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Tampa, FL USA
Device: Kindle Touch
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ned View Post
Is this the same thing as when a plumber says he'll come Tuesday?
Hey... I never said "which" tuesday.

BOb
pilotbob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2008, 06:57 PM   #36
tompe
Grand Sorcerer
tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 7,144
Karma: 4315826
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Link÷png, Sweden
Device: Nexus 7, Nexus 5, iPad 2, Kindle PW
Quote:
Originally Posted by astra View Post
& pthwaite
However, there is a subtle difference between your example and discussing features of a gadget, where every second counts.
Exactly.

I am kind of shocked that in a discussion were persons are using the information to decide to buy something people think it is OK to be imprecise in this way. People will expect a warning if the time is 1 minute to do something that is much faster to do with a PDA or a paper book. For dictionary lookup nobody expects a few seconds to mean that it is slower than looking it up in a paper dictionary or in an external electronic dictionary.

Didn't the iLiad tak one minute to boot? I wonder why HarryT have not described the boot time as just a few seconds and not a problem when you want to read.
tompe is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2008, 03:29 AM   #37
ErwinOtten
Addict
ErwinOtten has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.ErwinOtten has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.ErwinOtten has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.ErwinOtten has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.ErwinOtten has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.
 
ErwinOtten's Avatar
 
Posts: 340
Karma: 444
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: The Netherlands
Device: Cybook G3
Quote:
Originally Posted by tompe View Post
Exactly.

I am kind of shocked that in a discussion were persons are using the information to decide to buy something people think it is OK to be imprecise in this way. People will expect a warning if the time is 1 minute to do something that is much faster to do with a PDA or a paper book. For dictionary lookup nobody expects a few seconds to mean that it is slower than looking it up in a paper dictionary or in an external electronic dictionary.

Didn't the iLiad tak one minute to boot? I wonder why HarryT have not described the boot time as just a few seconds and not a problem when you want to read.
Get of it Tommy I really think you have to give Harry some credit here. I know how slow the dictionary-function is (I use it all the time ) but even I would say it takes just a few seconds to lookup a word, where I know it can take up to a minute when you have to move your cursor halfway over the screen. Booting-time on the other hand can actually be shorter but always looks longer because you are just waiting while the machine is booting.
So time isn't static....Just remember: Time flies when you're having fun
ErwinOtten is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2008, 06:48 PM   #38
tompe
Grand Sorcerer
tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 7,144
Karma: 4315826
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Link÷png, Sweden
Device: Nexus 7, Nexus 5, iPad 2, Kindle PW
Quote:
Originally Posted by ErwinOtten View Post
but even I would say it takes just a few seconds to lookup a word, where I know it can take up to a minute when you have to move your cursor halfway over the screen.
Have you measured the time? For me it takes 20 seconds to look up a word in the second line of the text which is nearly as long as the boot time of the Cybook. The time also seems to depends on how many dictionaries you have installed. Which nobody have seen fit to mention.

People used to dictionary lookup in MobiPocket on a Palm for example will be extremely fooled by claims of it taking only a few seconds.
tompe is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2008, 07:39 PM   #39
gwynevans
Wizard
gwynevans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gwynevans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gwynevans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gwynevans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gwynevans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gwynevans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gwynevans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gwynevans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gwynevans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gwynevans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gwynevans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
gwynevans's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,343
Karma: 1065246
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: UK
Device: Sony 505 (retired), iPad2, iPhone 3GS & Nexus 7 3G
Time flies like an arrow...
Fruit flies like a banana!

:-)
gwynevans is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2008, 03:34 PM   #40
ErwinOtten
Addict
ErwinOtten has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.ErwinOtten has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.ErwinOtten has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.ErwinOtten has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.ErwinOtten has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.
 
ErwinOtten's Avatar
 
Posts: 340
Karma: 444
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: The Netherlands
Device: Cybook G3
Quote:
Originally Posted by tompe View Post
Have you measured the time? For me it takes 20 seconds to look up a word in the second line of the text which is nearly as long as the boot time of the Cybook. The time also seems to depends on how many dictionaries you have installed. Which nobody have seen fit to mention.

People used to dictionary lookup in MobiPocket on a Palm for example will be extremely fooled by claims of it taking only a few seconds.
Exactly my point, it takes about 20 seconds to look up a word, but because you are constantly bussy (opening the menu, moving the cursor around, choosing the right word) it looks only a few seconds. While booting takes the same time but looks much longer because all you can do while booting is wait........
On the other hand I fore sure can't look up a word in a paper dictionary within 20 seconds. Certainly not when you count the time putting away the book you read and taking the dictionary in your hands into account..
ErwinOtten is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2008, 05:05 PM   #41
tompe
Grand Sorcerer
tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 7,144
Karma: 4315826
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Link÷png, Sweden
Device: Nexus 7, Nexus 5, iPad 2, Kindle PW
Quote:
Originally Posted by ErwinOtten View Post
Exactly my point, it takes about 20 seconds to look up a word, but because you are constantly bussy (opening the menu, moving the cursor around, choosing the right word) it looks only a few seconds. While booting takes the same time but looks much longer because all you can do while booting is wait........
And what you feel is extremely individual. For me it is an irritating long time. And most of the 20 seconds is waiting for the lookup and then you do not do anything else. And since it is individual it is much better measure the time and to tell people how long time it takes so they have better information to make their decisions.

I think I measured how long time it took me to look up a word in the Cybook text in the N810 dictionary and it was less than 20 seconds if I remember correctly.
tompe is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2008, 05:31 PM   #42
ErwinOtten
Addict
ErwinOtten has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.ErwinOtten has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.ErwinOtten has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.ErwinOtten has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.ErwinOtten has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.
 
ErwinOtten's Avatar
 
Posts: 340
Karma: 444
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: The Netherlands
Device: Cybook G3
Quote:
Originally Posted by tompe View Post
And most of the 20 seconds is waiting for the lookup.

Strange, the lookup itself takes always less than 5 seconds on my Cybook, and I have three dictionaries installed...
ErwinOtten is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2008, 06:48 PM   #43
bwaldron
Wizard
bwaldron ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.bwaldron ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.bwaldron ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.bwaldron ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.bwaldron ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.bwaldron ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.bwaldron ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.bwaldron ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.bwaldron ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.bwaldron ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.bwaldron ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
bwaldron's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,221
Karma: 530854
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Tampa, Florida, USA
Device: Kindle 1/2/3/4/PW2, Droid Maxx, Galaxy Tab Pro (12.2")
Quote:
Originally Posted by ErwinOtten View Post
Strange, the lookup itself takes always less than 5 seconds on my Cybook, and I have three dictionaries installed...
Yeah, it's nowhere near 20 seconds for me either (only one dictionary installed).

Booting up, on the other hand, takes me more than 20 seconds with the number of books I have on my SD card.
bwaldron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2008, 08:35 PM   #44
tompe
Grand Sorcerer
tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tompe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 7,144
Karma: 4315826
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Link÷png, Sweden
Device: Nexus 7, Nexus 5, iPad 2, Kindle PW
Quote:
Originally Posted by ErwinOtten View Post
Strange, the lookup itself takes always less than 5 seconds on my Cybook, and I have three dictionaries installed...
I have only two dictonaries but one of them is the free dictionary posted here so maybe that is not optimized in the same way. I have the old Cybook. I just tested and it took 15 seconds from I pressed "enter" and I get the box with the alternative when I looked up the word "Produced".
tompe is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2008, 02:42 AM   #45
ErwinOtten
Addict
ErwinOtten has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.ErwinOtten has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.ErwinOtten has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.ErwinOtten has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.ErwinOtten has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.
 
ErwinOtten's Avatar
 
Posts: 340
Karma: 444
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: The Netherlands
Device: Cybook G3
Quote:
Originally Posted by tompe View Post
I have only two dictonaries but one of them is the free dictionary posted here so maybe that is not optimized in the same way. I have the old Cybook. I just tested and it took 15 seconds from I pressed "enter" and I get the box with the alternative when I looked up the word "Produced".
I also have the old Webster dictionary from this site (and am thinking to remove it because it seldom finds a word ), but I've got the new cybook maybe there is a difference ??? I tried three different words and all three were under 5 seconds, one even with 5 references.
ErwinOtten is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
cybook, gen3

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Initial thoughts on the 650 Cheeseandpickles Sony Reader 1 09-20-2010 12:44 PM
Initial thoughts about my new PocketBook 302 brainycat PocketBook 30 06-03-2010 01:41 PM
Initial thoughts on BeBook Neo HarryT BeBook 47 05-03-2010 08:45 AM
New Reader - initial thoughts Elfwreck Sony Reader 11 11-24-2008 02:56 AM
Cybook Recieved, First Thoughts billyad2000 Bookeen 31 04-24-2008 09:37 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:26 AM.


MobileRead.com is a privately owned, operated and funded community.