Register Guidelines E-Books Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   MobileRead Forums > E-Book Readers > Sony Reader

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 09-17-2008, 01:13 AM   #1
drwowe
Enthusiast
drwowe began at the beginning.
 
Posts: 27
Karma: 10
Join Date: Apr 2008
Device: none
"Best" DRM format for conversion?

I'm thinking about buying my first eBook. So far I've only been reading freely available stuff.

The bookstore that sells the book I want has a choice of 4 formats: Adobe, Palm, Msoft, or Mobi. I refuse to be bound by the limitations of DRM, so whichever one I buy I want to strip the copy protection and then convert it to LRF for my Reader. My question is simple: which format should I choose for the best results? From what I know already, Msoft might be a good choice using convertlit and Calibre, but I'd like an opinion from the experts.

(note: I'm not asking specifically how to do the crack or where to find it or anything, I'm sure I can figure that out myself, so I think this question ought to be OK here...)
drwowe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2008, 01:51 AM   #2
Catire
Lord of the Universe
Catire ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Catire ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Catire ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Catire ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Catire ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Catire ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Catire ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Catire ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Catire ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Catire ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Catire ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Catire's Avatar
 
Posts: 666
Karma: 737849
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Maturin , Venezuela
Device: Sony Reader PRS-505 / PSP
.lit (MSoft) is the easiest i believe. Just Google ConvertLit and DRM and you should find a few sites telling you how to do it.
Catire is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Advertisement
Old 09-17-2008, 02:04 AM   #3
kovidgoyal
creator of calibre
kovidgoyal ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kovidgoyal ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kovidgoyal ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kovidgoyal ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kovidgoyal ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kovidgoyal ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kovidgoyal ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kovidgoyal ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kovidgoyal ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kovidgoyal ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kovidgoyal ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
kovidgoyal's Avatar
 
Posts: 26,465
Karma: 5383257
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Mumbai, India
Device: Various
lit has slightly better ebook quality (it supports more advanced formatting than mobi) but the DRM is slightly harder to crack (requires windows).
kovidgoyal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2008, 03:41 AM   #4
HarryT
eBook Enthusiast
HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
HarryT's Avatar
 
Posts: 65,639
Karma: 44618293
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: UK
Device: Kindle Voyage, iPad Mini, iPhone 4, MS Surface Pro, N7
Agreed - LIT is the best format to get. It is a matter of literally a few seconds to convert to Sony's LRF format. Simply use "ConvertLIT" to produce a DRM-free LIT file, and then Calibre or Book Designer to convert to LRF.
HarryT is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2008, 10:45 AM   #5
wallcraft
reader
wallcraft ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.wallcraft ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.wallcraft ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.wallcraft ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.wallcraft ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.wallcraft ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.wallcraft ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.wallcraft ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.wallcraft ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.wallcraft ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.wallcraft ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
wallcraft's Avatar
 
Posts: 6,979
Karma: 5183568
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Mississippi, USA
Device: Kindle 3 and Fire
Note that LIT, MOBI and eReader DRM has already been cracked, but Adobe DRM has not. So, for this and other reasons, avoid Secure PDF ebooks. Adobe also has Secure ePub ebooks with the same (uncracked) DRM scheme, this is unfortunate because ePub would otherwise be a better "archive" format than LIT.

I agree that LIT is the best single choice, but there are some ebooks only available in MOBI and this format is ok for format shifting in most cases. There are also quite a few ebooks only available as Adobe PDF, these are readable on the PRS-505 (if you don't mind the DRM and the sub-par reflowing) but they are locked down to devices that support Adobe Digital Editions.
wallcraft is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2008, 12:19 PM   #6
GingerTez
Stroppy Ginger Scotsman
GingerTez has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.GingerTez has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.GingerTez has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.
 
GingerTez's Avatar
 
Posts: 62
Karma: 284
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Altrincham, UK
Device: Sony PRS-505
I still don't get it really.... secure PDF works with no cracking required on Sony Readers so why go through the hassle of downloading another format that you have to crack and 'format-shift' when you can just download a format that'll work.

I'm not being deliberately awkward and I'm not pro-DRM... maybe I'm just lazy!

Cheers,
Terry.
GingerTez is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2008, 12:22 PM   #7
DrMoze
Booknut
DrMoze plays well with othersDrMoze plays well with othersDrMoze plays well with othersDrMoze plays well with othersDrMoze plays well with othersDrMoze plays well with othersDrMoze plays well with othersDrMoze plays well with othersDrMoze plays well with othersDrMoze plays well with othersDrMoze plays well with others
 
Posts: 848
Karma: 2852
Join Date: Jul 2007
Device: Sony Reader 500/505/300/350
The secure pdf books often have tiny print (think: same text of a regular book page presented on the smaller Reader screen with huge margins!). Increasing font size geneerally messes up formatting completely (half-lines with original line breaks, words broken across lines, figures disappearing, etc.). For instance, I'm reading a physics book in this format, and it requires reading glasses because the extremely tiny print is the only text size that doesn't totally mess up the content.

OTOH, Msoft (.lit) books are formatted nicely when converted to .lrf.
DrMoze is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2008, 12:26 PM   #8
JSWolf
Resident Curmudgeon
JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
JSWolf's Avatar
 
Posts: 38,804
Karma: 19656443
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts
Device: Kobo Aura H2O, Sony PRS-650, Sony PRS-T1, nook STR, iPad 1, iPhone 5
Quote:
Originally Posted by GingerTez View Post
I still don't get it really.... secure PDF works with no cracking required on Sony Readers so why go through the hassle of downloading another format that you have to crack and 'format-shift' when you can just download a format that'll work.

I'm not being deliberately awkward and I'm not pro-DRM... maybe I'm just lazy!

Cheers,
Terry.
Because if you ever switch to a different device other then the 505 (or even Sony), you could possibly lose the ability to read your PDF. But if you purchase a format that you can easily remove the DRM and convert, you'll be able to convert again if need be to your next device.
JSWolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2008, 03:22 PM   #9
bmwvan
Connoisseur
bmwvan is on a distinguished road
 
bmwvan's Avatar
 
Posts: 58
Karma: 57
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Tunica, MS USA
Device: hp iPAQ 4700/Fictionwise reader/Sony 505
Using the ConvertLit GUI, I get errors that result in no file being written. What does DRM=5 mean? The error says that decryption failed due to lack of a key for that file. What do I do next?

Van
bmwvan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-2008, 03:46 AM   #10
HarryT
eBook Enthusiast
HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
HarryT's Avatar
 
Posts: 65,639
Karma: 44618293
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: UK
Device: Kindle Voyage, iPad Mini, iPhone 4, MS Surface Pro, N7
Have you run "ReaderKeyRecoveryTool" to get the key file for your activated copy of Reader?
HarryT is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-2008, 11:10 AM   #11
bmwvan
Connoisseur
bmwvan is on a distinguished road
 
bmwvan's Avatar
 
Posts: 58
Karma: 57
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Tunica, MS USA
Device: hp iPAQ 4700/Fictionwise reader/Sony 505
When I did that, I was told that I needed to open a DRM5 book. I went to Fictionwise and bought one just for this. When I tried to open the book (as instructed in the RecoverKey process), I got an error message saying I did not have the latest version of Reader and my version was not activated. Upon visiting the Microsoft site for the upgrade, their survey of my computer said I had the current version, and that it was activated. The CLIT program disagrees. I have rebooted and tried again with no luck. What do you think I should do next? (I knew I would love having an E-ink reader - now I have new problems to solve!)
bmwvan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-2008, 12:44 PM   #12
gwynevans
Wizard
gwynevans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gwynevans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gwynevans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gwynevans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gwynevans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gwynevans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gwynevans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gwynevans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gwynevans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gwynevans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gwynevans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
gwynevans's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,343
Karma: 1065246
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: UK
Device: Sony 505 (retired), iPad2, iPhone 3GS & Nexus 7 3G
One thing you could try would be to uninstalling MS Reader then reinstalling it from the download on MS site, then see if it works - I seem to recall I needed to do something like that.
gwynevans is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-2008, 02:48 PM   #13
bmwvan
Connoisseur
bmwvan is on a distinguished road
 
bmwvan's Avatar
 
Posts: 58
Karma: 57
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Tunica, MS USA
Device: hp iPAQ 4700/Fictionwise reader/Sony 505
My most gracious thanks to all of you who have helped me. After an hour or so arguing with Microsoft, I was able to get my key installed (thanks to Harry and all for that tip) and have been able to take two DRM5 books and convert them to lrf. Long live the forum!

Van
bmwvan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-19-2008, 01:02 AM   #14
drwowe
Enthusiast
drwowe began at the beginning.
 
Posts: 27
Karma: 10
Join Date: Apr 2008
Device: none
Well, I went ahead and bought the book in .lit format and it converted perfectly. Thanks for all your responses!

Publishers should take note that when de-DRM tools are available, sales go UP! I've never bought an ebook before but I'll definitely do it again.
drwowe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-19-2008, 04:15 PM   #15
JeffElkins
PRSCustomizer
JeffElkins is no ebook tyro.JeffElkins is no ebook tyro.JeffElkins is no ebook tyro.JeffElkins is no ebook tyro.JeffElkins is no ebook tyro.JeffElkins is no ebook tyro.JeffElkins is no ebook tyro.JeffElkins is no ebook tyro.JeffElkins is no ebook tyro.JeffElkins is no ebook tyro.
 
JeffElkins's Avatar
 
Posts: 773
Karma: 1416
Join Date: Jan 2008
Device: PRS 505 Blue/iPod Touch/Epic 4G/Nook Classic
Quote:
Originally Posted by kovidgoyal View Post
lit...DRM is slightly harder to crack (requires windows).
Only once When you have a keys.txt Convertlit works under Linux to remove DRM from .lit
JeffElkins is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Character conversion: "—" --> "—" Ivo Sigil 21 07-08-2010 05:38 PM
Conversion error: CHM to PDF or "anything else" conversions FAIL. Help. mm07 Calibre 3 05-16-2010 10:41 AM
"Failed to open the file!" - Fictionwise non-DRM ePubs on Libre Nakor Ectaco jetBook 6 03-04-2010 07:37 PM
Error message : "Invalid Format" " Do you want to format your internal memory" narbeauchamp Sony Reader 11 07-22-2009 01:39 PM
Yahoo Music closing. Claims it will "compensate" customers for DRM Alisa News 21 08-05-2008 09:55 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:14 PM.


MobileRead.com is a privately owned, operated and funded community.