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09-05-2008, 08:46 AM | #16 | |
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I have got a polite dictionary, I think. |
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Nicely worded, Harry. Don |
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09-05-2008, 08:55 AM | #18 |
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Some dictionaries list as first meaning "1. a man who is a stupid incompetent fool [syn: fathead]".
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09-05-2008, 09:23 AM | #19 | |
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I find it interesting what some people allow because it is "sacred" or "recognized as 'Great' literature" but find fault with when it is "mundane". |
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09-05-2008, 09:28 AM | #20 |
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At 9yo my daughter read a novel for school that had mild cussing in it. No f bombs or the c word but some d*#$ and s^$*. The language was totally in context and necessary for character development and my daughter knows what is considered appropriate and the difference between fantasy and reality. Said daughter is now 10yo and if she picked up a book with sexual content she would most likely immediately put it back down because she thinks sex is "icky" (her word).
Our school district is pretty conservative, parents regularly try and get books removed from the library shelves. I know parents who won't let their kids read Harry Potter because of religious convictions. I let my kids, 10yo and 14yo, read whatever they want and encourage each to discuss the contents with me. I don't read every book that they do but I have a good idea what the books contain. I'd rather my kids read books with cussing than see it on television and the movies. |
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You've lost me slightly there. I don't recall any mention whatsoever of religion in Harry Potter - or is it that which is perceived to be the problem?
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09-05-2008, 09:42 AM | #22 | |
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My children at ages 7 and 8 would come home from school having learned the latest 4-letter word on the playground. It would have been futile to complain to the school because the school cannot monitor every moment of every child's being. Instead, I took it upon myself to teach my children the rules of civilization. I view the language used in books the same way. When my children would point to a passage in a book as support for their use of certain words, I would ask them to come up with an alternative way to get across the same message. I also would point out to them that there is a lot of difference between reading to oneself words that one finds acceptable and orally using those words with people who are offended by them. My children learned pretty well. |
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We must agree to differ, I'm afraid, Richard. I completely agree with you that children are going to hear such words in the playground, but that doesn't mean that I also want to see them in books aimed at young children. I'd like to be warned in advance if a book does contain such language so that I can make an informed choice about whether or not to buy it.
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OTOH, the language of cursing has changed significantly over the years and what was a mild reproach 50 years ago can today be considered a great insult. One of the columnists in my local newspaper was discussing today how insulting many women found it when Sarah Palin was called a "young lady" by someone 25 years her senior and how Joe Biden was castigated for being condescending when he described Barack Obama as "clean and articulate." Different strokes for differently offended folk! |
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http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/books/20...g_already.html claims that the meaning has changed and that the current meaning is more like "twit". And that: Quote:
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09-05-2008, 09:57 AM | #28 | |
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I have participated in discussions with a few local religious fundamentalists who have point blank told me that I will be damned for eternity because I let my children read books other than the Bible. I kind of threw a monkey wrench into the works when I asked which version of the Bible was truly the word of God, especially as we know that the King James version was written by a group of appointed men (no women) of a particular religious persuasion who argued over the meaning of various phrases and ending up deciding by consensus/compromise. I've often wondered what they do about printing errors I have also often wondered what they do with all of the begets and begots and the extramarital sex, and . . . |
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I don't have a problem with parents choosing to let their children read books with such language... but I think Harry is right that certain expectations have been established by publishers about what will and will not be in books marketed to children. If the language described is necessary for the character, perhaps the book might be marketed towards teens instead, or perhaps it might have a "language" warning on the back, as suggested.
I've routinely let my kids read books that were considered "too old" for them, again encouraging them to talk with me if they have questions or if anything makes them feel uncomfortable. But I appreciate the heads-up that the categories give me, so I can keep an eye on what they're reading, generally (without having to wade through angsty teen romance vampire stories myself ). |
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