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Old 08-26-2008, 10:51 PM   #1
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Which ereaders support folders right now?!

Just wondering which of the ereaders support folders?

I know that in some "future" update the cybook g3 is suppose to support folders and the Astak is suppose to when its released ( maybe in Sept/Oct? )

But what ones currently support folders to organize your books right now?
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Old 08-26-2008, 11:02 PM   #2
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Just wondering which of the ereaders support folders?

But what ones currently support folders to organize your books right now?
The Jetbook is the only one I am aware of. However, it is not an eInk device nor does it support any of the current DRMed formats.

The Sony has "single" level organization called collections... but not full hierarchical folder support.

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Old 08-26-2008, 11:04 PM   #3
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On my Sony I use collections to organize my books, basically it is similar to folders. Using the reader application you create a folder/folders and you drag the books from the main reader folder to the folder you created. It is very similar to an iPod on how to create a playlist.
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Old 08-26-2008, 11:04 PM   #4
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I believe that the Hanlin V3, also knows as the Bebook and the Illiad are the only e-ink readers that currently support folders.

Not having either of the devices, I can't comment on how good the experience is in using folder navigation. perhaps someone with one of those can comment on it.
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Old 08-26-2008, 11:16 PM   #5
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The Jetbook is the only one I am aware of. However, it is not an eInk device nor does it support any of the current DRMed formats.

The Sony has "single" level organization called collections... but not full hierarchical folder support.

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I do not consider the Jetbook to be a real eBook reader. It's just a text file display device.

Sony's collections are not perfect, but it's better then nothing.
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I do not consider the Jetbook to be a real eBook reader. It's just a text file display device.

Sony's collections are not perfect, but it's better then nothing.
I can't control your thoughts. However, by that logic isn't the Sony just a text file display device too. Html, txt, rtf, lrf are all basically text files. I had no problem reading the 3 books on the Jetbook when I was reviewing it. The plain text displayed fine.

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Old 08-27-2008, 03:29 AM   #7
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I believe that the Hanlin V3, also knows as the Bebook and the Illiad are the only e-ink readers that currently support folders.
No, the iLiad also does. The Gen3 has a very limited support for folders, in that you can put books in folders, and sort them by folder name, but you can't (currently) get a display OF those actual folders.
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I believe that the Hanlin V3, also knows as the Bebook and the Illiad are the only e-ink readers that currently support folders.
No, the iLiad also does.


The BeBook indeed has (great) folder support. (of course the Hanlin v3, lBook, Walkbook et cetera do too)
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Old 08-27-2008, 06:55 AM   #9
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I bought the iLiad because of the larger screen, note taking and because of the folders. I can create many levels of folders. I am able to organize my books to my satisfaction.

The iLiad also has its own level of organization. There are four metal buttons on the bottom named News, Books, Docs and Notes. You can use these buttons to also differentiate between different types of reading materials. You can put whatever you want in the major News folder for example.
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I just wonder whhy is it taking so long for Bookeen to update their firmware and support folders. I mean, is it such a mind puzzling problem to program such thing?
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I just wonder whhy is it taking so long for Bookeen to update their firmware and support folders. I mean, is it such a mind puzzling problem to program such thing?
It's probably the same problem that is prevelent in most small companies with a small development staff.

While not difficult to do, its probably not the main prioroty. Especially with the other bugs that have crept in such as the power management, PDF support broken, incomplete HTML support etc.

We have to admit that folder support is most important for the small number of us who want to kee a few hundred / thousand books on our devices. If the no of books is less then a hundred or two, its not so important.

What I would personally like is support for zip archives. that would probablysolve most of my problems, even if folder support takes a while.
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It's probably the same problem that is prevelent in most small companies with a small development staff.

While not difficult to do, its probably not the main prioroty. Especially with the other bugs that have crept in such as the power management, PDF support broken, incomplete HTML support etc.
But these kind of problems should not have crept in. You do not get the impression that the developers are especially competent and I really wonder if they use bug track system and automatic regression testing and similar standard tools.
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But these kind of problems should not have crept in. You do not get the impression that the developers are especially competent and I really wonder if they use bug track system and automatic regression testing and similar standard tools.
Not being a developer, I can't really comment on that.

However, what does strike me is that currently most companies providing software are usually more interested in providing new features, then in getting a completely bug free product out of the door. Also, what appears to have happened often is that they would roll out a software feature without doing too much testing, and would run into problems.

Also if I understand correctly, the basic OS is actually supplied by the manufacturer (If I understood the discussion on why Bookeen was not releasing the source code correctly) and as such, they may not have a complete idea of how some of the stuff interacts, especially after the hardware refresh.
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But these kind of problems should not have crept in. You do not get the impression that the developers are especially competent and I really wonder if they use bug track system and automatic regression testing and similar standard tools.
They shouldn't with good regression testing but oftentimes regression and long-term stress testing get little attention when the deadlines are aggressive. I have no idea how much automation they have but even with great automation, it's only as good as the set of testcases you've written. You usually can't test absolutely every scenario so you focus on the ones you think are the most likely. Sometimes the testcases just aren't very thorough. Sometimes they are and you get a surprise spill anyway.

You can also have competent bug tracking and still end up with issues. I've never seen a QA department that didn't have a bug tracking database. No reason not too when Bugzilla is free. That doesn't mean that products aren't released with known bugs. In fact, I've never seen a product go out the door without known bugs. You weigh the estimated impact of the bug against the consequences of slipping your release date. Oftentimes the people making this decision are more customer-facing and less technical. They don't always fully understand the impact of a given bug. IME, they tend to be an overly optimistic bunch. They're often the ones responsible for setting the release dates, too.
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