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Old 08-04-2008, 08:34 AM   #1
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i have found a ebook web site

i have found a new ebook web site

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let's go there and enjoy ebooks together!

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Old 08-04-2008, 08:44 AM   #2
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None of them download properly. Says damaged or protected?
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Old 08-04-2008, 09:01 AM   #3
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Are you sure this site is actually legal?
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Old 08-04-2008, 11:47 AM   #4
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Are you sure this site is actually legal?
On a quick look it seems not.
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Old 08-04-2008, 11:57 AM   #5
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Clearly illegal. Link deleted.
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Old 08-04-2008, 12:50 PM   #6
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How do you know it is not legal, Harry?
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Old 08-04-2008, 01:33 PM   #7
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Yes, how do you know if it's illegal? It seems like this is connected to authors choice of creative commons.

I'm starting to get the feeling the moderators here are fundamentalists when it comes to copyright, with a "Shoot first, check later" policy/mentality.
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Old 08-04-2008, 01:38 PM   #8
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I didn't see the site, but at a guess, HarryT checked the copyright dates of several books on the site, and made the decision based on that evidence. We do try to be sure something is a copyright violation before editing posts and such. And we have to take into account the laws in the countries our servers are in (the US and Canada), whereas we understand copyright conventions can vary in different countries.

Unfortunately, there are many sites out there that assume that because content appears somewhere it must be ok to post it, or think that something can be "Creative Commons" if someone other than the author has said so. We're left in the awkward position of trying to figure out what the actual legal status of books is, sometimes.
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Old 08-04-2008, 01:55 PM   #9
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I can't see how links to external sites matters though. Are you responsible for their content as well? Is linking to other websites illegal?
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Old 08-04-2008, 02:06 PM   #10
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It's a policy we have because we don't want to be known as a place to find illegal content.
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Old 08-04-2008, 02:09 PM   #11
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I can't see how links to external sites matters though. Are you responsible for their content as well? Is linking to other websites illegal?
In the US it's called contributory infringement. IIRC, it's settled Federal case law; see the 2600 Magazine article on Wikipedia. Personally, I fall more into the "abolish or radically change copyright side of things," but I don't represent this forum. The moderators OTOH do, and they are perfectly correct to protect the forum and its owners from legal harassment.
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Old 08-04-2008, 02:12 PM   #12
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I can't see how links to external sites matters though. Are you responsible for their content as well? Is linking to other websites illegal?
I think Harry knows what he's doing. People who use this site don't encourage the use of illegal downloading. Those who wish to do so can get their information in other ways. Obiviously, linking to legal websites is okay...
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Old 08-04-2008, 02:14 PM   #13
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I'm fine with not linking to illegal stuff. I'd just like to know what evidence HarryT used to make the decision.
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In the US it's called contributory infringement. IIRC, it's settled Federal case law; see the 2600 Magazine article on Wikipedia. Personally, I fall more into the "abolish or radically change copyright side of things," but I don't represent this forum. The moderators OTOH do, and they are perfectly correct to protect the forum and its owners from legal harassment.
But is it a fellony?

I do understand why MR doesn't want to "recommend" (I don't remember the correct english term) copyright infringement, but why not state "This link seems to be a website containing illegal material, so therefore we will not condone its content and use.

Just stating: "illegal, link deleted" gives me a police state feeling (and it's the second time i've seen it done today). When I also couple that with HarryT's opinions regarding copyright infringement in the discussion "Book piracy, is ebook piracy on the rise", I get the shivers.

If the moderators here are people without any understanding of the different sides of the copyright/piracy debate, then well, I don't want to condone those opinions, peoples or websites.

Though, too their defence, it's an important (and in many aspects) good work their doing here.
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Old 08-04-2008, 03:19 PM   #15
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I'm fine with not linking to illegal stuff. I'd just like to know what evidence HarryT used to make the decision.

You could try pm'ing him and asking...
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