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Old 05-31-2008, 10:44 AM   #1
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**** Ignore this. I got it wrong. It probably is TOCs being created as a subsequent poster points out ***

I used NowNow. Excellent service and I did get 5 replies. Interestingly they appeared on my Kindle as just one entry in the listing, but on tapping into the item it expanded to show the 5 replies. So it looks as if Kindle does support sub folders - just not for the rest of the book list. Perhaps something for a future version ?

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Old 05-31-2008, 10:47 AM   #2
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I used NowNow. Excellent service and I did get 5 replies. Interestingly they appeared on my Kindle as just one entry in the listing, but on tapping into the item it expanded to show the 5 replies. So it looks as if Kindle does support sub folders - just not for the rest of the book list. Perhaps something for a future version ?

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Perhaps it was just a document with a TOC which let you select each of the 5 answers.

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so you got 5 answers to one question? were they all different? I need to sneak the the Kindle from the Mrs and "play" with NowNow

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I used NowNow. Excellent service and I did get 5 replies. Interestingly they appeared on my Kindle as just one entry in the listing, but on tapping into the item it expanded to show the 5 replies. So it looks as if Kindle does support sub folders - just not for the rest of the book list. Perhaps something for a future version ?

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Old 05-31-2008, 06:57 PM   #4
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We've seen something similar with periodicals. It's not really folders.
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Old 05-31-2008, 10:20 PM   #5
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Old 06-01-2008, 05:11 PM   #6
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Is there a way to make our own "TOC"s that would work like this?
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Old 06-01-2008, 05:25 PM   #7
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Is there a way to make our own "TOC"s that would work like this?
Sure, just take a bunch of documents... create a Table of Contents that includes 1 enter with a link to the beginning of each document and make that into a single file. You should be able to use book designer or mobi creator to do this.

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Old 06-01-2008, 05:28 PM   #8
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Once someone figures out where in the header of a MOBI file is the tag to change, maybe.

I seem to recall periodicals are in AZW format. (It should be noted that AZW is exactly the same as MOBI.) If so, then somewhere in the header of the MOBI file is a tag that tells the Kindle to group a bunch of ebooks.

Someone who has a newspaper subscription could give 4 or 5 issues to one of our MOBI experts, and ask them to figure it out.
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Old 06-01-2008, 07:44 PM   #9
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I'd be happy to do that--who should I send them to?
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Old 06-01-2008, 09:43 PM   #10
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Me too -- where do I send them?
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Old 06-01-2008, 09:46 PM   #11
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I PMed someone with a suggestion and a link to this thread. Let's see what happens.
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I PMed someone with a suggestion and a link to this thread. Let's see what happens.
He PMed med You can always send them vis PM, webpage or to tpe at ida.liu.se.

I actually have two such file since I looked at this problem half a year ago together with a Kindle owner but we did not find the correct combination. mobi2mobi has some flags that are just useful for experimenting with this.

Here is the output from one of these files:
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Database Name: The_Wall_Street_Journal
Version: 0
Type: BOOK
Creator: MOBI
Seed: 120
Resdb:
AppInfoDirty:
ctime: -883754885 - Tue Dec 30 09:31:55 1941
mtime: -883754863 - Tue Dec 30 09:32:17 1941
baktime: -2082844800 - Fri Jan 1 01:00:00 1904
---------------------------------------------------
FIRST IMG Record Id: 97
---------------------------------------------------
Image record index: 97 (494 x 45)
START IMAGE INDEX: 97
COVER IMAGE INDEX: 97
PDHEADER Version: 17480
PDHEADER Length: 375109
PDHEADER NRecords: 92
PDHEADER Recsize: 4096
PDHEADER Unknown: 131072
MOBIHEADER ciflg: 1
MOBIHEADER ciptr: 116
MOBIHEADER doctype: MOBI
MOBIHEADER length: 228
MOBIHEADER booktype: 257 - NEWS
MOBIHEADER codep: 65001
MOBIHEADER uniqid: 301654910
MOBIHEADER ver: 5
MOBIHEADER exthflg: 88
MOBIHEADER language: 1033 - 9 - 1 - ENGLISH - ENGLISH_US
COVEROFFSET: 0
THUMBOFFSET: 0
EXTH doctype: EXTH
EXTH length: 388
EXTH n_items: 17
EXTH item: 106 - PublishingDate - 10 - 2007-12-31
EXTH item: 100 - Author - 23 - The Wall Street Journal
EXTH item: 101 - Publisher - 23 - The Wall Street Journal
EXTH item: 109 - Rights - 63 - ┬ę Copyright 2007 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. Al l Rights Reserved
EXTH item: 300 - 300 - 46 - 0x300020000000000800000000000000000bef4edec1bd1a9 1e11e741ac
EXTH item: 204 - 204 - 4 - 0x0001
EXTH item: 205 - 205 - 4 - 0x0006
EXTH item: 206 - 206 - 4 - 0x0001
EXTH item: 207 - 207 - 4 - 0x00022
EXTH item: 502 - LastUpdateTime - 15 - 2007-12-31T0000
EXTH item: 401 - ClippingLimit - 4 - 0x00064
EXTH item: 1 - drm_server_id - 9 - EBOOKBASE
EXTH item: 2 - drm_commerce_id - 11 - AMAZON_1110
EXTH item: 113 - ASIN - 10 - B00123DRDG
EXTH item: 114 - VersionNumber - 4 - 0x0001
EXTH item: 403 - 403 - 1 - 0x0
EXTH item: 501 - CDEContentType - 4 - NWPR
LONGTITLE: The Wall Street Journal
LASTID: 119
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For the EXTH header it seems that 400-499 is "application binary" and 500-599 is "application string". So I think these headers are Kindle specific.

The flags to use in mobi2mobi to test different things are probably:
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--booktype number
--exthtype number --exthdata number
--delexthtype number
I can also say that I read the decompiled Java code for the Kindle but did not find how a collection/subfolder was detected. Maybe somebody else that have read the code can help?
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Could it simply be that the Kindle is creating a TOC page "on the fly" for the periodical?
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Old 06-02-2008, 08:54 AM   #15
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That could be, Harry. But how does the Kindle know to to this? Why only certain files?

If this can be identified and duplicated, then we might be able to use it to organize our ebooks by author, series, etc.
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