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Old 07-22-2014, 01:29 PM   #46
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Actually, I've been surprised that so few are jumping on board. It's a free trial, after all. I would have expected a majority to sign up for the free month, especially with the perk of an Audible credit. And then a high rate of attrition after the trial is over.
The way isee it Cat Lady is that the free month is simply a teaser that needs to be removed from the consideration. When I run into a teaser such as this one I awlays remove it from consideration then I consider the program as a whole. I am thinking about the program, one needs to answer the one basic question - do you see yourself reading book from the big publishing houses only? Personaly I could care less where the book was published and how it got to market, I am currently working on an self published book and its great.

For those interested I have set up a seperate URL pointer to the Kindle Unlimited program tinyurl.com/paobcxo. This is much shorter than entering the whole long amazon url for the program.

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Old 07-22-2014, 04:05 PM   #47
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Put more simply: if Amazon captures even 5% of ebook readers in the US (4-5Million) that would still be a $500M a year business. Take it international and it could double.
And since Amazon determines (controls) the payout to authors/publishers we know it will be profitable.
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Not so cheap, one has to buy a Kindle first. Also I doubt that majority of the subscribers will read more than a book a month in reality. Reading books is no popcorn time.

I personally like to own my stuff so i wont join. I would not even join if it was free. But I see that it is an option for some people.

This is a total win situation for Amazon. It will increase kindle sales, will give Amazon more control over ebook market and will force local libs to their knees.
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i voted no because there are likely books that are not covered in "unlimited". i also won't bother with the trial because there are so many unread books on my kindle that i will never get through them all before the trial period ends. if and when most of amazon's books are covered, then i will sign up.
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Not so cheap, one has to buy a Kindle first. Also I doubt that majority of the subscribers will read more than a book a month in reality. Reading books is no popcorn time.

I personally like to own my stuff so i wont join. I would not even join if it was free. But I see that it is an option for some people.

This is a total win situation for Amazon. It will increase kindle sales, will give Amazon more control over ebook market and will force local libs to their knees.
Except that you don't have to buy a kindle...Kindle Unlimited books can be read from any of the Kindle Apps on any device that can install apps.

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Except that you don't have to buy a kindle...Kindle Unlimited books can be read from any of the Kindle Apps on any device that can install apps.

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Well kind of. I did not articulate it well in my post. I meant the e-readers that use E-ink type technology, unless one owns one those expensive android eink ones . I personally do not find tablets to be a good reading medium (I have 4 of those, various sizes)

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Old 07-22-2014, 06:47 PM   #52
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Well kind of. I did not articulate it well in my post. I meant the e-readers that use E-ink type technology, unless one owns one those expensive android eink ones . I personally do not find tablets to be a good reading medium (I have 4 of those, various sizes)
It doesn't matter if it is expensive for you if you don't already have a eink kindle - and epaper is the way for you to read. There is enough eink kindles around, and even with a small percentage to sign up for KU, the money coming in to Amazon will be huge.

I just signed up earlier today, and I seriously wanted to wait a while to see how first experiences work out for others. But then why wait, I already decided to pay for it. The deciding reason today was my wife - she reads more than I have time for. On average the money we spend each month on books will be cheaper, but the selection got a whole lot bigger. Before KU many books over $2.99 were just too expensive for as many books as mainly my wife reads. Most books are usually free or $0.99. KU got a lot of books for $4 and up - so selection instantly got really big for us.

The only books I will still plan on paying for are the last books in The Dresden Files and it will take a while until they are written.
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Old 07-22-2014, 06:52 PM   #53
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Well kind of. I did not articulate it well in my post. I meant the e-readers that use E-ink type technology, unless one owns one those expensive android eink ones . I personally do not find tablets to be a good reading medium (I have 4 of those, various sizes)
Another thing to consider is that Amazon actively wants people to get Kindles, so if you have a very active Kindle acc't and no Kindle, you may get a coupon for a discounted one.

My Kindle basic cost me $29. That's really not a significant barrier to entry.
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The deciding reason today was my wife - she reads more than I have time for. On average the money we spend each month on books will be cheaper, but the selection got a whole lot bigger.
And there lies the promise and the peril of KU.

KU is really a family reading plan.
Most reading families already share their Kindle purchases--so KU with its ten book at a time limit can easily keep a couple or even a big family reading for a modest sum.

The peril lies in the resulting author payouts...

But even there I suspect the indies will adjust and the result will be a lot less permafree and $0.99 books outside KU since it will make more sense to just enroll them and get both extra visibility and some actual cash. Another outcome is that since KU doesn't discriminate by length, it is a natural home for short stories, essays, and serials--all things Amazon has been trying to encourage. For short story writers it may make more economic sense to unbundle anthologies and run the individual stories through KU than trying to sell the collected volume.

Interesting times are coming.
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I got a Nook as a gift and was using that happily but got a Kindle because Amazon offers some good deals. It was worth it. I even upgraded my Kindle. They don't need to offer this service to everyone. If it's a good service (I think they need a better selection before I'd call it that, but I imagine they plan for it to improve) then people will get Kindles to use it. People choosing their first e-reader will be more likely to choose a Kindle. People with other e-readers will wonder if it's worth moving to Amazon, or getting a second one to take advantage of the deal.
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And there lies the promise and the peril of KU.

KU is really a family reading plan.
Most reading families already share their Kindle purchases--so KU with its ten book at a time limit can easily keep a couple or even a big family reading for a modest sum.

The peril lies in the resulting author payouts...
I thought about that too, and came to this conclusion:

I read somewhere, maybe here on MR or on Amazon that the payout to authors is based on how much and how often a book is actually read. Just borrowing and sending it back will not result in any payment, I would not think. Amazon has been storing reading patterns on their servers for years. And likely there will be many KU users that won't read enough for the $9.99 a month it will cost Amazon. Of course there will be those that Amazon is willing to take a loss, if those with a profit pick up the slack.

If you switch from a different provider than Amazon, Amazon will likely gain their business for actual ebook purchases as well. There will be (some even mentioned that here on MR) users of KU that use it as a worry free way to explore new authors, borrow books for free (or small flat fee) and if they like, they buy for keeps. If that happens, then Amazon does not have to pay twice - they paid the first time (some) of the $9.99 of that person, but if they later decide to buy the book outright, then they only may need to pay the difference.

We would have to ask some indie publisher that is in KU on how exactly the contract is worded - as in what conditions have to be met to equal the same amount of money as a purchase. It might be more money than they would get through traditional libraries.

We will see how much money KU rolls in for Amazon: if after a few months the amount of books in the KU system keeps growing since Amazon can afford to make contracts with bigger publishers. Maybe at first it will be backlists. On the other hand: How much money is Amazon willing to lose with KU in order to get customers to switch over and buy their ebooks at Amazon?

Edit: Oh, forgot to mention. If in KU the actual cost to Amazon is not 10 $0.99 books a month - on a sale Amazon keeps some percentage, on KU they only have to pay royalities, not themselves or at least not the same amount ...

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For those interested I have set up a seperate URL pointer to the Kindle Unlimited program tinyurl.com/paobcxo. This is much shorter than entering the whole long amazon url for the program.
You can just use the following urls that Amazon makes available, which are far more memorable.

http://amzn.com/ku
http://amzn.com/kindleunlimited
http://amazon.com/ku
http://amazon.com/kindleunlimited

These are from Amazon's internal shortlink service, where http://amzn.com redirects to http://amazon.com and http://amzn.com/{ASIN} redirects to any product page. Also, either domain can be followed by the name of various services (and some abbreviations) to find the right node. It's usually pretty easy to guess what will have a shortlink and what it will be.
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Not so cheap, one has to buy a Kindle first. Also I doubt that majority of the subscribers will read more than a book a month in reality. Reading books is no popcorn time.

I personally like to own my stuff so i wont join. I would not even join if it was free. But I see that it is an option for some people.

This is a total win situation for Amazon. It will increase kindle sales, will give Amazon more control over ebook market and will force local libs to their knees.
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Well kind of. I did not articulate it well in my post. I meant the e-readers that use E-ink type technology, unless one owns one those expensive android eink ones . I personally do not find tablets to be a good reading medium (I have 4 of those, various sizes)
Well, considering that the competition only offers apps, and that isn't considered unreasonable, I don't see what the problem is.

And that is your choice, but you are not necessarily representative of everyone else.
(I happen to agree with you, though. I also have a Kindle Touch.)
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Only because it comes with the audiobooks. I'll be using them more than the ebooks to be honest.
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Only because it comes with the audiobooks. I'll be using them more than the ebooks to be honest.
That is a good point. That makes it a spicy deal
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