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Old 06-14-2014, 03:37 PM   #1
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Now for The Complete Lythande by Marion Zimmer Bradley. Bought from Book View Cafe in a sale in December last year.
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A nice collection of fantasy short stories, and there was some interesting overlap (in terms of secondary characters) with my calibre-created omnibus from earlier this year.
My opinion of the stories is still the same, but after reading the revelations at Teleread and Stephen Goldin's site, I won't be reading or buying any more works by Marion Zimmer Bradley or Elizabeth Waters. Consider this a don't-read recommendation.

Here's one tiny extract from one of MZB's deposition in one of the court cases. Not the most damning by far, but one that I can post at MobileRead.

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Q. So at the time that David* was 15, David informed you that he believed that your then husband was not propositioning him because at that point David was too old for Walter’s tastes?

A. I think that’s what he said. To the best of my memory, that’s what he said.
* MZB's son.

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Old 06-14-2014, 04:38 PM   #2
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Are her children beneficiaries of Zimmer Bradley's literary estate?
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Old 06-14-2014, 05:33 PM   #3
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Are her children beneficiaries of Zimmer Bradley's literary estate?
There's a Literary Works Trust that holds her copyrights an administers her literary estate. There's a trustee, Ann Sharp, and Elizabeth Waters works for the Trust.

The Trust is, apparently, an unincorporated entity resident in California.

I am lead to believe that the only beneficiary of the Trust is Elizabeth (Lisa) Waters:

"MZB’s partner Lisa Waters is the only beneficiary from the sale of MZB’s books (per her daughter Moira, a dear friend I’ve know since my teens). If anyone would like to benefit MZB’s surviving children, Moira suggests looking up her brother Mark Greyland’s incredible art." — "Chris S."
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Old 06-14-2014, 05:40 PM   #4
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Very hard to read. I've never been particularly interested in an author's private life, but I'll never be able to read Zimmer Bradley again.
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Old 06-14-2014, 07:11 PM   #5
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There's a Literary Works Trust that holds her copyrights an administers her literary estate. There's a trustee, Ann Sharp, and Elizabeth Waters works for the Trust.

The Trust is, apparently, an unincorporated entity resident in California.

I am lead to believe that the only beneficiary of the Trust is Elizabeth (Lisa) Waters:

"MZB’s partner Lisa Waters is the only beneficiary from the sale of MZB’s books (per her daughter Moira, a dear friend I’ve know since my teens). If anyone would like to benefit MZB’s surviving children, Moira suggests looking up her brother Mark Greyland’s incredible art." — "Chris S."
Thanks for the info. It appears Waters was her domestic partner.
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Old 06-17-2014, 05:41 PM   #6
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MZB is a terrific example of a terrible, terrible human being with incredible talent.
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Old 06-17-2014, 06:15 PM   #7
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Always liked her brother Paul's writing better.
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Old 06-17-2014, 11:00 PM   #8
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MZB is a terrific example of a terrible, terrible human being with incredible talent.
I'll take your word for that second part. She's one of those authors I've seen around quite a bit, but my instincts always said, "Nope, nothing to see here."
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Old 06-18-2014, 07:31 AM   #9
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How sickening. I remember reading one of her books years ago but don't have any on my shelves.

You have to hope there is a special room in hell for these people.
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Old 06-18-2014, 07:33 AM   #10
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I'll take your word for that second part. She's one of those authors I've seen around quite a bit, but my instincts always said, "Nope, nothing to see here."
To be fair, it depends what you like to read...

If you're a fan of classic, pulp style Sci-Fi, then I think you'd probably like her Darkover books.

If you don't like that kind of stuff, then your instincts are probably right.
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Old 06-18-2014, 07:59 AM   #11
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It is amazing how something like this can be kept hidden for so long. My favorite book was Hunters of the Red Moon. I read many times over the years. I will not be reading it again.
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It is amazing how something like this can be kept hidden for so long. My favorite book was Hunters of the Red Moon. I read many times over the years. I will not be reading it again.
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Actually, this has been public knowledge for quite some time. For some reason. the SF community (with the exception of Stephen Goldin, whose step-son was a direct victim) chose to ignore it.
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Old 06-18-2014, 06:56 PM   #13
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@mgbino: Nothing new here - the fan-base are seldom able to acknowledge when their idols appears to have glaring faults.

An classic example of this is Woody Goldbergs "rape-rape" comment. We can also take a look at TV host Jimmy Savile. He couldn't have gotten so far without his fanbase.

I once criticized that The Pirate Bay hosted "somewhat-legal" child porn torrents. Their users were enraged ... at me for criticizing their belowed site.

There's also the serial rapist Assange, whose insane defence is accepted by his fans.
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Old 06-18-2014, 08:13 PM   #14
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@mgbino: Nothing new here - the fan-base are seldom able to acknowledge when their idols appears to have glaring faults.
It's one thing for fans to ignore it, but I think it's insane that her peers ignored it too. Particularly considering that one of the victims was a child of a peer.
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