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Old 03-04-2014, 03:40 AM   #1
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Limitation in numbered lists?

I have formatted an epub that contains a numbered list, as follows:

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<ol style="list-style-type: decimal;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;">
    <li class="P_ListItem">
      <p class="P_ListParagraph">Item 1</p>
    </li>

    <li class="P_ListItem">
      <p class="P_ListParagraph">Item 2</p>
    </li>

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.
    <li class="P_ListItem">
      <p class="P_ListParagraph">Item 12</p>
    </li>
</ol>
In Sigil, this seems to display correctly. But on my Kobo Aura, which I believe uses ADE to parse and display the epub, the items display correctly only up until Item 9, and then after that the numbering shows as 1 on every item.

Is there some limitation in ADE keeping item numbers to one digit? I gather that would limit numbered lists to 9 items?

Is there any way around this?

Thanks for any suggestions.
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Old 03-04-2014, 04:51 AM   #2
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Haven't noticed it yet to be honest. Then again, I usually avoid lists when I can since support on devices is limited.
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What do you use as an alternative?
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Old 03-04-2014, 05:55 AM   #4
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<div class="list">
<p>1. Item 1</p>
<p>2. Item 3</p>
<p>3. Item 2</p>
</div>

Maybe the numbers do line up so nicely, but that's often not so important.
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Old 03-04-2014, 06:33 AM   #5
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You can't successfully define an ordered list to be automatically alphabetic nor can you stop the list and automatically restart it by defining the start number when you have made a new page. Those functions aren't provided by epub.

Sigil uses a browser type renderer which will display these functions, but they don't work in epub. Unless you are creating a document which requires frequent and automatic renumbering in editing, this is not much of a drawback.
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Old 03-04-2014, 08:34 AM   #6
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Thanks for the replies.

Jellby, your system isn't so clear, and falls down when the items in the list are longer than a single line. The list then becomes a bit messy and indistinct.

mrmikel, the list is working fine up until item 9, and then it numbers every subsequent item as 1. There's no coded page break within the list, so that's not a problem (unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying).
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and falls down when the items in the list are longer than a single line. The list then becomes a bit messy and indistinct.
A bit messy but correctly numbered/lettered across a range of devices/apps; or beautifully formatted but inconsistently numbered/lettered across a range of devices/apps. Those are your two choices with lists in epubs.
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So the coding I had originally doesn't work beyond single digits? That was my question, but no-one's actually answered it yet.

Edited to add:
I've discovered from the Adobe forums that the problem is a bug in ADE, such that it only displays the first digit of the list item number, no matter how many digits there really are.

The specific file I'm working on is for my own use, not for distribution, so in this instance I only need to get it working on my Kobo Touch and/or Aura HD. But of course it would be helpful to have a working solution beyond this one file.

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So the coding I had originally doesn't work beyond single digits? That was my question, but no-one's actually answered it yet.
Because there IS no definitive answer. It may possibly work somewhere (on some devices/apps), but there's a good chance no one will be able to tell you which ones. That why most people just avoid them altogether.
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Because there IS no definitive answer.
Well yes, there does seem to be an answer, at least to the question I actually asked. As I just noted, it seems ADE has a bug whereby it doesn't display list item numbers beyond the single first digit.

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And do what, though? What's an alternative, when the list items are then referenced heavily by the following text?

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And do what, though? What's an alternative, when the list items are then referenced heavily by the following text?
Put the list numbers in as actual text. Not as neat, but at least they'll be there.
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Put the list numbers in as actual text. Not as neat, but at least they'll be there.
That's no better, nor clearer, than a .TXT file. Kinda pointless, eh?
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What is point of going through putting all the stuff for a HTML list when you can just type it anyway? You can inset the list items through CSS, if that is an issue. The reader will see absolutely the same thing.
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There ARE some things that html lists do naturally that are very, very hard to completely replicate with css and block elements (consistently across a range of devices/apps anyway), but they're still purely cosmetic. Unless you're continually rebuilding a list where the number of elements and their contents are unknown and/or pulled from a database and built "on the fly" (such as on dynamic websites), then you're right; there's no real functional advantage to ordered lists in static documents.
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That's no better, nor clearer, than a .TXT file. Kinda pointless, eh?
That is your alternative. Current ePub renderers are poor, you can produce a pure ePub that doesn't (currently) read well, or produce something that works with current renderers.

Just complaining that things aren't perfect isn't constructive.
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