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Old 02-11-2014, 06:18 PM   #1
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Sigil wird nicht mehr weiterentwickelt

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Heise meldet, daß Sigil nicht mehr weiterentwickelt wird.

http://www.heise.de/suche/?q=Meldung....y=0&rm=search

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Old 02-11-2014, 07:06 PM   #2
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Danke für den Hinweis. Das ist ja nun seit Monaten bekannt; die eigentliche Nachricht in John Schember's neuem Blogpost, auf den Heise sich bezieht, ist doch der Verweis auf den Calibre-Editor als Nachfolger von Sigil. In der Tat fehlen da nur noch einzwei von mir viel benutzte Funktionen (Clips!!!), dann brauche ich Sigil nicht mehr unbedingt.
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Old 02-12-2014, 04:32 PM   #3
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Danke für den Hinweis. Das ist ja nun seit Monaten bekannt; die eigentliche Nachricht in John Schember's neuem Blogpost, auf den Heise sich bezieht, ist doch der Verweis auf den Calibre-Editor als Nachfolger von Sigil. In der Tat fehlen da nur noch einzwei von mir viel benutzte Funktionen (Clips!!!), dann brauche ich Sigil nicht mehr unbedingt.
Im Moment seh ich gar keinen Grund mein Sigil 7.2 aufzugeben ...
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Im Moment seh ich gar keinen Grund mein Sigil 7.2 aufzugeben ...
Das gleiche sage ich für Sigil 7.3 - 7.4 hat bei mir beständig zu unmotivierten Verlusten geführt, bin dann reuig zu 7.3 zurückgekehrt. Verschlimmbesserungen scheint's also nicht nur bei FW zu geben (beim PB 611 bin ich auch mit fliegenden Fahnen zur V. 15.8 desertiert!)
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Old 02-13-2014, 01:28 PM   #5
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Das gleiche sage ich für Sigil 7.3 - 7.4 hat bei mir beständig zu unmotivierten Verlusten geführt, bin dann reuig zu 7.3 zurückgekehrt. Verschlimmbesserungen scheint's also nicht nur bei FW zu geben (beim PB 611 bin ich auch mit fliegenden Fahnen zur V. 15.8 desertiert!)
Ich hatt halt 7.2 grad zur Hand.... Ansonsten spricht nix gegen 7.3. Dieses hat unter Windows 8.1 bi mir zumindest mal einen Quickcheck überstanden.

Ich schätze somit, Sigil wird auch ohne Weiterentwicklung noch für lange Zeit nützlich sein ...
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Bei mir funktioniert 7.4 einwandfrei.
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Old 02-13-2014, 04:18 PM   #7
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Bei mir funktioniert 7.4 einwandfrei.
Du Glückspilz !

Guck mal ob die Zeilen <p>& nbsp;</p> noch alle da sind ...
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Old 02-13-2014, 04:22 PM   #8
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Du Glückspilz !

Guck mal ob die Zeilen <p>& nbsp;</p> noch alle da sind ...
Solch hässliche Zeilen gibts bei mir sowieso nicht.
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Old 02-14-2014, 05:16 AM   #9
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Guck mal ob die Zeilen <p>&nbsp;</p> noch alle da sind ...
Stimmt, wo du es jetzt sagst...

Die Zeilen verschwinden zwar nicht, aber &nbsp; wird in die Schreibweise mit der Codenummer umgewandelt. Das finde ich auch nervig, weil überflüssig.

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Solch hässliche Zeilen gibts bei mir sowieso nicht.
Bei mir schon, aber nur in Titelblättern. Da ist das einfacher als dasselbe ohne diese kleine Ferkelei zu erreichen.

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Die Zeilen verschwinden zwar nicht, aber &nbsp; wird in die Schreibweise mit der Codenummer umgewandelt. Das finde ich auch nervig, weil überflüssig.
Also bei mir passierts folgendermaßen:
1. Ich habe diese Art von Zeilen (p &nbsp; /p) im E-Buch.
2. Sigil wandelt dies in & 160
3. Bei irgendeiner Gelegenheit wird aus dem &160 ein normales Blank. Es war mir dann zu blöd, diesen Fehler näher zu analysieren, daher bitte ich mir die Formulierung "bei irgendeiner Gelegenheit" nachzusehen.
4. Der Absatz der dann nur noch ein normales Blank enthält, wird entfernt. (Das macht Sigil schon immer so)

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Bei mir schon, aber nur in Titelblättern. Da ist das einfacher als dasselbe ohne diese kleine Ferkelei zu erreichen.
@ Double: Das kann jeder machen wie er möchte. Das Entfernen von gültigem Code durch die Software ist nicht statthaft, und wird Fallback auf die ältere Version betraft...
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4. Der Absatz der dann nur noch ein normales Blank enthält, wird entfernt. (Das macht Sigil schon immer so)
Der Schritt ist in Ordnung, denn die Reader ignorieren solche Zeilen. Aber die Schritte davor dürften nicht sein.

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Interessant wäre, ob die Umwandlung &nbsp; - &_160; - normales Leerzeichen in den Eisntellungen oder einem Eintrag in einer INI-Datei unterbunden werden kann. Nur wird man an solche Infos jetzt kaum noch heran kommen.
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Old 02-14-2014, 11:02 AM   #12
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Ich habe einige Tests mit der Windows-Version von 0.7.4 gemacht und kann bestätigen, dass das Problem tatsächlich unter bestimmten Umständen auftritt.

1. Szenario: Clean Source-Optionen Open und Save aktiviert; HTML Tidy oder Pretty Print ausgewählt.

In Code View eingegebene &#nbsp; werden in &#160; umgewandelt, wenn anschließend im Book View der Text geändert wird.
Beim nächsten Öffnen der Datei werden allerdings alle &#160; wieder in &#nbsp; umgewandelt.

2. Szenario: Clean Source-Option Open deaktiviert, Save aktiviert; HTML Tidy oder Pretty Print ausgewählt.

Ergebnis wie beim ersten Szenario, aber nach erneutem Öffnen werden die &#160; als normale Leerzeichen angezeigt!

Schlussfolgerung:

1. Wenn man Sigil 0.7.4 benutzt, sollte man unter Clean Source zumindest die Option Open aktivieren und Pretty Print auswählen, um zu vermeiden, dass feste Leerzeichen u. U. gelöscht werden.

2. Textänderungen sollten im Code-View-Modus gemacht werden, um zu verhindern, dass Sigil &#nbsp; in &#160; umwandelt.
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Der Schritt ist in Ordnung, denn die Reader ignorieren solche Zeilen. Aber die Schritte davor dürften nicht sein.


Interessant wäre, ob die Umwandlung &nbsp; - &_160; - normales Leerzeichen in den Eisntellungen oder einem Eintrag in einer INI-Datei unterbunden werden kann. Nur wird man an solche Infos jetzt kaum noch heran kommen.
Genau, das Problem ist die Konvertierung des &_160; in ein normales Blank, das darf eben nicht sein.

Ansonsten kann man die Frage im Forum sicherlich stellen, ich fürchte da wird bloss nix in der .ini zum Einstellen geben.

@Doitsu: Das dürfte es sein, Pretty Print hab ich aus guten Grund immer an.
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Old 02-14-2014, 12:34 PM   #14
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Interessant wäre, ob die Umwandlung &nbsp; - &_160; - normales Leerzeichen in den Eisntellungen oder einem Eintrag in einer INI-Datei unterbunden werden kann. Nur wird man an solche Infos jetzt kaum noch heran kommen.
Warum nicht? Theoretisch brauchst Du dazu nicht einmal jemanden. Lade Dir den Quelltext runter und guck ihn Dir an.
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Theoretisch könnte ich sogar was mit dem Quelltext anfangen, bin ja von der Programmiererzunft. Aber in der Praxis braucht man erst mal eine Menge Zeit bis man so halbwegs die Übersicht bekommt. (Bei manchen Programmierstilen ist man chancenlos.) Und ich habe keine passende Entwicklungsumgebung auf dem Rechner.

Aber Doitsu Forschergeist hilft ja schon mal ein Stück weiter.
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