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Old 10-28-2013, 08:57 AM   #46
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Old 10-28-2013, 10:10 AM   #47
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Still waiting for feedback on the movie! 6,9/10 on Imdb.com so far, but from only 1600 votes, which doesn't seem promising (Movies are always rated higher in the beginning, when the die hard fans watch it).
Those that review movies for a living have weighed in. Most liked it (16 out of 22), including the so-called 'top 3' critics.

If you'd like to see what they liked and disliked about this film, go here:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/enders-game/

(I didn't bother to actually read any of them, but figure this movie can't possibly be any worse than After Earth -- which we watched this weekend and mostly used the FF button to get through it).
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Card turned down a number of movie contract for Ender's Game (there was some commentary on this in an anniversary book release), and the movie is more a hybrid of Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow (AIUI), working from the premise that that makes it a ``buddy movie'' which is something which Hollywood can do, and which does cater well to filming.
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Old 10-28-2013, 10:56 AM   #49
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Card turned down a number of movie contract for Ender's Game (there was some commentary on this in an anniversary book release), and the movie is more a hybrid of Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow (AIUI), working from the premise that that makes it a ``buddy movie'' which is something which Hollywood can do, and which does cater well to filming.
What aspects of "Ender's Shadow" are in it? I didn't spot any.
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Old 10-28-2013, 12:25 PM   #50
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``EG is extremely hard to write - what makes the novel work is all the material that is inside Ender's head, a place where screenplays cannot go (or at least not easily or all that effectively). Adding Ender's Shadow to the mix turns it into a buddy movie, which is more do-able.''
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Old 10-28-2013, 01:06 PM   #51
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Isn't Ender's Shadow basically the same story from a different point of view? (I haven't read it, that's just what I've heard.)
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Old 10-28-2013, 01:54 PM   #52
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Old 10-28-2013, 07:32 PM   #53
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Isn't Ender's Shadow basically the same story from a different point of view? (I haven't read it, that's just what I've heard.)
Pretty much, from Bean's POV. But also portrays Bean's uprising and the hardships it involved.
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Old 10-28-2013, 11:22 PM   #54
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In a bit of a reversal, I didn't really enjoy the book that much, but I am looking forward to seeing the movie. I like space action movies, and I usually like Harrison Ford movies, and I'm hoping the adaptations and compression of cinematic storytelling make me appreciate the story more.

It happened with Lord of the Rings. I have never been able to get through the books, but I enjoyed all of Peter Jackson's movies.
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Old 10-28-2013, 11:27 PM   #55
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I suppose that if a lot of Ender's Game is from inside Ender's head, then Ender's Shadow would give an outside perspective.
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Old 10-29-2013, 07:52 AM   #56
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In a bit of a reversal, I didn't really enjoy the book that much, but I am looking forward to seeing the movie. I like space action movies, and I usually like Harrison Ford movies, and I'm hoping the adaptations and compression of cinematic storytelling make me appreciate the story more.

It happened with Lord of the Rings. I have never been able to get through the books, but I enjoyed all of Peter Jackson's movies.
I read Ender's Game when I was in junior high and disliked it immensely. Picking it up now and flipping through it, my opinion is even harsher since it's clearly meant for a younger audience (even leaving aside the aliens called 'buggers' and the fart jokes).

That said, I wouldn't mind seeing the movie but I find Card to be loathsome generally (his stance on gay marriage is just the tip of an iceberg made of crazy), and not someone I feel amazing about supporting. I might wait until he's dead to see it, and just hope that the beneficiaries of his estate aren't also crazy-wackadoos.
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Old 10-29-2013, 01:06 PM   #57
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... his views on gay rights, most of his political views, and that Mormonism is just strange,
This probably goes without saying, but Card's diatribes are not representative of the official position of the Church, nor of the attitudes of the general membership. Just in case there was any confusion about that.
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This probably goes without saying, but Card's diatribes are not representative of the official position of the Church, nor of the attitudes of the general membership. Just in case there was any confusion about that.

This is in danger of turning into a religious discussion. I would be most grateful if members would keep any discussions of Orson Scott Card's opinions to the most general terms possible. Thank you.
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Never read any of his stuff, so I decided to give him a shot. I'll start off with the audiobook of Ender's Game. Placed holds at a bunch of my libraries. If I like it, I might see the movie.

Sometimes I'll watch the movie first before reading/listening to a particular book.
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The film will make a lot more sense if you've read the book first.
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