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Old 10-26-2013, 10:48 AM   #46
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They apparently decided that they're going to try and out-Apple Apple and out-Samsung Samsung. Bad move IMO. This yearly introduction of new devices with new features (exclusive to the new device) are not going to generate customer loyalty.
Amazon customer loyalty is based on THOUSANDS of new products every month - not just eReaders. One can even search for a product never before produced at the Amazon site, and have a high probability of coming up with some great items. I do that all the time and buy new products I never knew even existed. Plus, for 80% of my purchases I receive delivery in 24 hours and can always return items I do not like for any reason within 30 days.

I had been using an old Grundig radio to receive foreign radio broadcasts. I searched by "foreign radio broadcasts" and came up with the Grace Mondo Internet radios and now receive broadcasts from all over the planet in any language I want CRYSTAL CLEAR. The shortwave used to be filled with static. I purchased six of those new radios.

Thus, the Kindle eReaders merely supplement their huge product line. They are a very small proportion of their total sales.

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This may sound crazy but I prefer Kindle for iOs than Kindle for Android. I think that the iOs version is more elegant and smooth. More refined. I wish Amazon could make something like Nook for Android; that version is nice.
Me too! The iOS app is more advanced than the other apps, even better than the Fire's Kindle app IMO. The Android app is pathetic. It is just bare bones and way behind the apps for other OSes.
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Amazon customer loyalty is based on THOUSANDS of new products every month - not just eReaders. One can even search for a product never before produced at the Amazon site, and have a high probability of coming up with some great items. I do that all the time and buy new products I never knew even existed. Plus, for 80% of my purchases I receive delivery in 24 hours and can always return items I do not like for any reason within 30 days.

I had been using an old Grundig radio to receive foreign radio broadcasts. I searched by "foreign radio broadcasts" and came up with the Grace Mondo Internet radios and now receive broadcasts from all over the planet in any language I want CRYSTAL CLEAR. The shortwave used to be filled with static. I purchased six of those new radios.

Thus, the Kindle eReaders merely supplement their huge product line. They are a very small proportion of their total sales.
You do realize that Amazon has very few products of their own. The kindles and Fires are pretty much it. Amazon is a retailer, like Walmart, Target, etc. They mostly sell other merchandise made by other companies. Amazon has a loyal following more because of good service, fast and reliable shipping, and great customer service.
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Many if not most of the third party products are purchased by Amazon from the manufacturers and stocked in their own warehouses. That is how they can make 24 hour delivery.

Other products are shipped by the third party producers but even they have fast deliveries and Amazon will help to get them to take back unwanted products.

Warehouse shipments come with free delivery with Prime membership. 3rd party shippers may charge for deliveries.

The key advantage on all their products is that you do not have to share your credit card number with anyone but Amazon. Plus, none can reach you direct other than by going through Amazon email. Credit card security and being kept off email marketing lists is a great advantage.

Direct 3rd party shippers are all rated by the customers and one gets to select which ones to use.

The big advantage is the ability to search and buy at just one location thousands of products most of which have never been seen by the customers before buying.

Many folks go to the big box stores, look for items they like and then buy them from Amazon anyway. Amazon even supplies a smart phone app to scan products in brick and mortar stores and then compare to Amazon prices right at the spot. Those stores are being driven under by that practice and most refuse to match Amazon prices.

One feature I like with the HD 2012 and HDX 2013 is the ability to listen to songs on the radio and then instantly access the Amazon store via those devices, enter the pass code and buy the song right there if I like it. That beats marking down the name and artist and then shopping in Sam Goody's as I used to do 20 years ago while most of the songs were never even carried by Sam Goody. I do find that some very new songs are not in the Amazon catalog when I try it and that is where they can improve a bit.

When I hear about good books on TV or on the internet, I can immediately go to Amazon and get their price and number of pages. Then I enter all that into an excel spreadsheet and sort by pages / dollar. I always buy the most pages for the buck.

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I bought a HDX.. awesome screen and speed.. but very prioritized. I liked the feel, size and touch of the HDX...however I have the Nexus 7.2 as well with the exact screen resolution and ALMOST the same speed as the HDX (very, very slight, actually unnoticable speed difference) .. but with the Nexus 7.2 > I can do more without side loading etc.. that is a big pain in the neck.. The Nexus 7.2 is much more versatile without the restrictions of the Kindle/Amazon format/operating system.. so I returned the HDX..The HDX is a beautiful machine though, size and shape beat the Nexus 7.2.. no complaints other than the restrictions of the operating system..

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Me too! The iOS app is more advanced than the other apps, even better than the Fire's Kindle app IMO. The Android app is pathetic. It is just bare bones and way behind the apps for other OSes.
Reading kindle books on my phone has always been somewhat unpleasant. I thought it was just because it was a phone, but then I tried reading a kindle book on a nook hd+ and it was equally unpleasant no matter how I adjusted the font size or line spacing. For some reasoni just find the font for the android app to be ugly.
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Yep; where's Fire OS for HD owners?
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Reading kindle books on my phone has always been somewhat unpleasant. I thought it was just because it was a phone, but then I tried reading a kindle book on a nook hd+ and it was equally unpleasant no matter how I adjusted the font size or line spacing. For some reasoni just find the font for the android app to be ugly.
The Kindle android app is much to be desire. The Kindle Fire has more font choices but they took out the one I used on the Original Kindle Fire and replaced it with a bunch of serif fonts.

The Original Kindle Fire app is awesome! The HDX one not so much. I can embed fonts so that fixes one problem but no TOC on Mobi books which makes personal documents even more usesless on the HDX, No TOC, No Cover. I have a feeling Amazon is trying to businessify the Documents tab. The documents have icons for covers.

I guess the rumor about the HDX coming with a full office suite was not true.

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The Kindle android app is much to be desire. The Kindle Fire has more font choices but they took out the one I used on the Original Kindle Fire and replaced it with a bunch of serif fonts.

The Original Kindle Fire app is awesome! The HDX one not so much. I can embed fonts so that fixes one problem but no TOC on Mobi books which makes personal documents even more usesless on the HDX, No TOC, No Cover. I have a feeling Amazon is trying to businessify the Documents tab. The documents have icons for covers.

I guess the rumor about the HDX coming with a full office suite was not true.
Hey Blossom, I've checked one of my Mobi books on my HDX and it displays the table of contents that is in the book. My kindle fire hd dosen't show the cover for personal document either, that was only in the original fire.

Also, I only place files with .docs or .pdfs in the documents folder all .mobi, .prc, or azw3 etc go in the books folder and the covers and TOC's show.
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Hey Blossom, I've checked one of my Mobi books on my HDX and it displays the table of contents that is in the book. My kindle fire hd dosen't show the cover for personal document either, that was only in the original fire.

Also, I only place files with .docs or .pdfs in the documents folder all .mobi, .prc, or azw3 etc go in the books folder and the covers and TOC's show.
Okay you must tell me how you make your books. None of mine show a TOC. What settings do you use in Calibre?

I put them in books too but mobi books for me do not show a TOC at all. Only AZW3 does.

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[QUOTE=Blossom;2667475]Okay you must tell me how you make your books. None of mine show a TOC. What settings do you use in Calibre?[/QUOTE

The mobi books that come with a table of contents I don't have to do anything with. But mobi's that don't I generally convert to epub create a table of contents then convert back to mobi. But now I just convert to azw3 and use the TOC editor in Calibre that allows you to edit the TOC in azw3 and epub formats.

Also, in case you didn't know the three lines in the upper left corner will display a TOC that is just in the metadata. I notice that even though some books don't have a TOC page they have the TOC in the metadata, those can be seen from there.

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Yea that area in metadata is blank on mobi books. Can you give me a title to look at? Maybe I can buy it and dissect it to figure out what is wrong.
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Yea that area in metadata is blank on mobi books. Can you give me a title to look at? Maybe I can buy it and dissect it to figure out what is wrong.
Noah (5th Street Series) by Elizabeth Reyes is mobi format and has a TOC.
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The Kindle android app is much to be desire. The Kindle Fire has more font choices but they took out the one I used on the Original Kindle Fire and replaced it with a bunch of serif fonts.

The Original Kindle Fire app is awesome! The HDX one not so much. I can embed fonts so that fixes one problem but no TOC on Mobi books which makes personal documents even more usesless on the HDX, No TOC, No Cover. I have a feeling Amazon is trying to businessify the Documents tab. The documents have icons for covers.

I guess the rumor about the HDX coming with a full office suite was not true.
The more you post the more it seems you regret buying the hdx. Does it have helvetica? That is the only font that matters to me.
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