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Old 09-17-2013, 05:07 AM   #16
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It is simple really, if they do not show a list of devices a book can be read on then it is a PDF. Likewise if the book cover is only a black silhouette of a book, it is a PDF.
No devices in the "Read me on" list seems to works to identify PDFs, but the black book cover is not so helpful because epub books can have the black cover too.

E.g. this book has the black cover, but it is an epub: http://store.kobobooks.com/en-NZ/ebook/the-space-pirate
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I assume everything I buy at Kobo is available in epub. I try to remember to look to make sure it says available for e-reader. If I purchased it and it wasn't an epub, I would expect a refund. If I didn't get a refund promptly, I would dispute the charge (with my credit card company).
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As far as in informed you ony get KEPUB if you donwload the book for your Kobo device. But you can download every KEPUB-Book with ADETPT-DRM through the web shop and your pc.

The really problem is PDF. This format is not acceptable for most ebook, and you can't read nice on an small device. Also if there is LiveCylce-DRM on the PDF, you even cannot read it on your e-ink device or tablet (Android & iOS).
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Old 09-17-2013, 07:50 AM   #19
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As far as in informed you ony get KEPUB if you donwload the book for your Kobo device. But you can download every KEPUB-Book with ADETPT-DRM through the web shop and your pc.

The really problem is PDF. This format is not acceptable for most ebook, and you can't read nice on an small device. Also if there is LiveCylce-DRM on the PDF, you even cannot read it on your e-ink device or tablet (Android & iOS).
Samy i bought an O'Reilly published ebook from Kobo on Sunday from the Kobo website and I got no choice as to format , nor did I know prior to purchase that I was buying a kepub only book.

Sunday was the first day that i used the new look Kobo website here in Aus.

Kepubs can not be reformatted to epubs unless they are DRM free.

So no, I can't agree with you.
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Old 09-17-2013, 08:51 AM   #20
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So do Kobo provide a legend for their symbols? I could not find it anywhere, but do welcome any pointers.
For me it's written under the symbol: computer, ereader, android, tablet, ios and Blackberry.
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Old 09-17-2013, 11:28 AM   #21
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As far as in informed you ony get KEPUB if you donwload the book for your Kobo device.
Correct, to a Kobo device or app.


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But you can download every KEPUB-Book with ADETPT-DRM through the web shop and your pc.
Not true. They are fairly rare, but there are kePub books that do not offer an ePub download.
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Old 09-17-2013, 11:37 AM   #22
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It is simple really, if they do not show a list of devices a book can be read on then it is a PDF. Likewise if the book cover is only a black silhouette of a book, it is a PDF.
The first might be true, but the second is not, some ePub's show the same black silhouette.


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For those of you that complain about them not specifiying whether a book is an epub or a kepub, if having an epub is so important, download the book to your PC or Mac, remove the DRM and sideload it. You now have an epub on your kobo. Also for many it's important to know the DRM status of the book too.

Problem solved.
Or not. Having to download and install Kobo's software to get a kePub and then muck around with it is not the same as a regular ePub. For one the formatting is often different in my recent experience.


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I notice non of you are complaining that the kobo bookshop are not listing a lot of the books you can buy from it, unless you put generic search queries in for instance if you use the ebooks>sports>football, it gives 251 books, if you use the generic search term "football" it gives 1133 books. Is this not a bigger problem than not seeing if a book is a kepub or an epub. And before anyone askes I have used football as an example because I know it is one of the most popular sports in the world.
Kobo's search function is not great, never has been, but in the case you mention doing the first I would expect to turn up books on the subject of football, while a general search I would assume will also turn up books with football in their description, but not necessarily about football. Is this not the case?
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Kobo's search function is not great, never has been, but in the case you mention doing the first I would expect to turn up books on the subject of football, while a general search I would assume will also turn up books with football in their description, but not necessarily about football. Is this not the case?
This is my understanding too.
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As others have pointed out, it's important to know whether the file is an epub or a kepub because kepubs can't be read on non-kindle e-ink readers and tablets that don't have a kobo app (if such a thing exists). I have a Nook Simple Touch so kepubs are useless to me. Kobo was quick to offer me store credit when I unknowingly purchased a kepub-only book, which I accepted because I knew I would use it, but a refund should also be offered as well for those who don't want credit since it was Kobo's error.

As for removing DRM, that is a bit tricky. For one thing, there is no way to remove the DRM from kepubs on a Mac, at least to my knowledge, so a substantial proportion of the population can't remove it. Also, some people are morally opposed to removing DRM even for personal use, and they shouldn't be put in a position where they have to do it in order to read their book on their non-kobo device.
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Kobo's response to my facebook post about format

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Just to reassure you, no matter the format of our Kobo eBooks, they will work on the Kobo platforms as shown on our website. Knowing the format of the eBook is a feature our Development Team is working on as we speak, however your feedback will be forward to them as a much needed demand. We apologize for the inconvenience.
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Can somebody tell me an exactly ebook title which comes just with KEPUB without EUPUB?
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Can somebody tell me an exactly ebook title which comes just with KEPUB without EUPUB?
Heaven is Paved with Oreos only comes as a kepub.
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Samy here is the kepub only book I bought via my PC from the Kobo website on Sunday:

The Modern Web
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Melmac the bizarre part of all this is that format and DRM were normal attributes supplied by Kobo against each title up to now.
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