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Old 09-19-2013, 09:18 PM   #61
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You left out being about to read COBOL....
I can't do that. I started with computers in 1990, not in 1961.
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I can't do that. I started with computers in 1990, not in 1961.
Unfortunately, I can. I started with Algol, in 1966, on a Burroughs B5500. And had to hike to the computer center in several feet of snow, uphill both ways! With boxes of cards!

OK, I'll shut up. Time for my nap, anyway.

ROFLMAO!

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My dad always used to say, "some people would complain if they were hung with a new rope." Some people are never happy Hitch.

I've heard this before, but it left me scratching my head for a while, trying to remember what it means. I'm thinking it means that someone would complain because a new rope is stiff and rough, and therefore uncomfortable, rather than supple and smooth like an old rope. Even though they would be dead soon after. Is that correct?
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Old 09-20-2013, 01:35 AM   #64
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I've heard this before, but it left me scratching my head for a while, trying to remember what it means. I'm thinking it means that someone would complain because a new rope is stiff and rough, and therefore uncomfortable, rather than supple and smooth like an old rope. Even though they would be dead soon after. Is that correct?
I've always understood it to mean that some people are never satisfied no matter the circumstances.
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Old 09-20-2013, 02:24 AM   #65
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I can't do that. I started with computers in 1990, not in 1961.
That is saying nothing. I know of an IT company (also in NL) that required all new starters to have a course in COBOL to get at least the grasp of programming first. That was in in 1996/1997...
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Old 09-20-2013, 04:07 AM   #66
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Unfortunately, I can. I started with Algol, in 1966, on a Burroughs B5500. And had to hike to the computer center in several feet of snow, uphill both ways! With boxes of cards!

OK, I'll shut up. Time for my nap, anyway.

ROFLMAO!

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Can't match that one, and wouldn't, anyway, but I can say that I started out with 80-column punch cards on an IBM 360/70, not long after your Burroughs' days. Ah....the good old days, LOL! Yowza, hearing some names from my past...COBOL, Fortran...man.

I could have sworn I saw another post around here, from...somebody...that I was going to respond to, and now I can't find it. Ah, well. I've certainly put enough of my $.02 in on this thread, anyway, as there's nothing happy happening here. As someone said (the post I was seeking--was it mrmikel?), this is a mare's nest.

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Old 09-20-2013, 07:07 AM   #67
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Though I started messing with computers about the same time (1965-66), it was always through a terminal. There was a terminal at my high school which we programed in telcomp/BASIC going to a terminal at Bolt Braneck and Newman in Boston. We used to weekly try to divide by zero just to see the **CRASH** message come back!

The whole problem with any successful program is that eventually it gets so big and so interdependent that keeping it going without wrecking another section gets difficult.

Doitsu in a different thread was right in saying that for us amateurs anyway, Sigil is pretty near complete. I don't know of anything it really needs for our use.

Maybe the focus should be on plug ins for Sigil to carry out the functions that are missing. That would require infinitely less work and no chance of blowing up the main program to implement features. They don't need to be in any particular language either, so long it is executable by the computer.
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Old 09-20-2013, 12:09 PM   #68
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I can't do that. I started with computers in 1990, not in 1961.
I'm just describing the ads one see here in the US. They almost always add "familiarity with COBOL a plus"...
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Old 09-20-2013, 12:39 PM   #69
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I'm just describing the ads one see here in the US. They almost always add "familiarity with COBOL a plus"...
LOL. What derp writes those ads?

I have never seen COBOL mentioned in the Netherlands, ever. It's a 50 year old programming language that has been out of use since forever (in IT terms), except for some very special, very old software that needs to keep running for some very special reason.
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LOL. What derp writes those ads?

I have never seen COBOL mentioned in the Netherlands, ever. It's a 50 year old programming language that has been out of use since forever (in IT terms), except for some very special, very old software that needs to keep running for some very special reason.
I once ran into a requirement at a job fair for 3+ years experience programing a piece of equipment.

I queried the booth person "You trying to hire someone on the design team?"
"What?"
"The product has only been public for 3 MONTHS (I was part of the Hardware team, but not qualified for that job)"
No clue.
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Yup, they are looking for a young person, so they can pay them nothing, with 50 years experience in technologies that came out yesterday.
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I've never seen COBOL in use anywhere. Of course I had some familiarity with BASIC back when the TRS-80 was still in use.
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I've never seen COBOL in use anywhere. Of course I had some familiarity with BASIC back when the TRS-80 was still in use.
My brother (1994) worked in Cobol. A lot of financial apps are in Cobol.
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You left out being about to read COBOL....
Anybody can read COBOL. It was designed to be read by managers after all -- writing a COBOL program, now... that's another story. And writing a COBOL compiler -- well, that was my job, along with about half a dozen other people, about 40 years ago. Unfortunately, the whole CDC STAR system was dropped before it shipped.
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LOL. What derp writes those ads?

I have never seen COBOL mentioned in the Netherlands, ever. It's a 50 year old programming language that has been out of use since forever (in IT terms), except for some very special, very old software that needs to keep running for some very special reason.
Lots and lots of non-specialist COBOL systems that I know of. The Netherlands must be nearer the cutting edge than the UK
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