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Old 07-24-2013, 03:36 AM   #76
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I've read Ender's Game recently and ...

*MAJOR SPOILER ALERT*

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OSC sympathizes with the buggers in the end. After the war is over it is revealed that it was a huge mistake based on lack of communication. Everybody is feeling extremely sorry about killing the "buggers" when they could get along so well and Ender is planning to undo the wrong and bring them back to life.


*MAJOR SPOILER ALERT OVER*

Anyway, the most interesting part of the book is not the war with the buggers, but Ender's training, how they try to push him into fighting and Ender being bullied and trying to get over it.

From what I read on other forums, OSC was not so vocal about his views until 2000's.

I would really want Roadside Picnic to win. Eastern European SF is not that well known in the Western world, and this book is on my TBR list since I saw the movie STALKER which is loosely based on the book and which was breathtaking.

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Old 07-24-2013, 06:10 AM   #77
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In any case, although it might seem strange to some, I don't really have any issue with OSC. I thought the Alvin Maker stories were a bit blah, but I loved Ender's Game and I also enjoyed his novel Lost Boys. I've picked up a few more of his books recently and will eventually find room in my pile for them.
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Old 07-24-2013, 10:59 AM   #78
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@Gabriel Morcan: there are spoiler tags that can be used. If you go to the advanced editing of the message there is an eye with an X through it that places the tags. Oh, and welcome to the forum. I hope you find it as a great a place as a lot of us do. Can a mod spoiler the original post so those who haven't read Ender's don't lose some of the fun if it wins.

Looking through the list, I've already read Fahrenheit 451 and Ender's Game. I know I'm going to read Princess at some point and it is free, but I think I'm leaning to Roadside Picnic. Still mulling the options. Ender's Game was quite entertaining and not a bad option for a summer read.

I wish I hadn't missed the nominations. Next year: The Stars My Destination or The Demolised Man. Read it in my bookclub.
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Old 07-24-2013, 05:57 PM   #79
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.......I'll have a look and educate myself.
I have been thinking: most of the time I don't read much about the books I'll be reading, as to have a clean view on things. Afterwards I sometimes do some research if I'm puzzled by something.
I know, I asked for an explanation about one of the nominations myself, out of curiosity, but I'll read the author in question without research on him and see.

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Old 07-24-2013, 08:47 PM   #80
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"buggery" = slang for anal sex.
The term also sows up in "Robin Hood:Prince of Thieves" several times. The character of Little John says 'b**ger me' several times when he's shocked about something.
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Old 07-25-2013, 07:10 AM   #81
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The term also sows up in "Robin Hood:Prince of Thieves" several times. The character of Little John says 'b**ger me' several times when he's shocked about something.
Yes, it's still in common use here as an epithet. I don't think he's using it as an invitation, however....
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hmm, this forum seems to be getting a kind of anal fixation these days.......
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Old 07-25-2013, 06:15 PM   #83
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hmm, this forum seems to be getting a kind of anal fixation these days.......
So true. It has been educational.
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Why am I not surprised?

Yet another reason not to be a Card carrying sci-fi fan:

"Orson Scott Card Outdoes Himself With Insane, Racist Rant"

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As author Maureen Johnson puts it, "I don't know where Orson Scott Card goes from here, except maybe to declare war on the moon."
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Old 08-16-2013, 05:44 AM   #85
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I didn't see the racist part.
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Yes, it's still in common use here as an epithet. I don't think he's using it as an invitation, however....
Nope I don't think so either. It's just a way for his character to show surprise about something. A tag if you will. Much like Dickens has Scrooge saying "Humbug" quite often in the course of the book.
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Where will he get his "national police"? The NaPo will be recruited from "young out-of-work urban men" and it will be hailed as a cure for the economic malaise of the inner cities.
It sounds like Mr. Card is suggesting that we'll have our own young Nazi group in the U.S. Of course as I remember it (from history class) the situation in post world war I Germany was quite a bit different than here in the U.S. We haven't been forced to sign a treaty with the victors of a war nor is money so worthless as to have lost all value (to my knowledge). It sounds like paranoia on Mr. Card's part.
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Yet another reason not to be a Card carrying sci-fi fan:

"Orson Scott Card Outdoes Himself With Insane, Racist Rant"

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Here's a link to Card's full post...
http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2013-05-09-1.html
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Old 08-16-2013, 02:26 PM   #89
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Not being a big sci-fi reader, I only vaguely knew of Orson Scott Card and his anti-gay standpoint before nominating Ender's Game, but decided to nominate it to possibly see what the fuss was about since a film is coming out; I thought at the least it could've made for a lively discussion thread. Now I've realised that his views are more extreme than I'd thought, but I still think I'll try to read the book sometime to judge the story and his writing for myself. Although this will probably be one of those now-rare times that I use a library for a pbook or buy a copy of it from a second-hand book store so as not to give any money towards the author.
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