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Old 07-02-2013, 09:38 PM   #1
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Q: CSS 'counter', 'counter-increment', etc.

I came across the CSS content, counter, counter-increment, and counter-reset and thought that these would be a great ( = 'easy') way to number sections and chapters.

Works great (text, TOC, etc.) in Sigil and in Calibre viewer, but in ADE and the Kindle the numbering and the content (like 'Section, 'Topc', 'Area' below don't appear.

Is this a lack of functionality in ADE and Kindle, or is there a workaround?


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body
{
counter-reset:section;
}
h1
{
counter-reset:subsection;
}
h2
{
counter-reset:subsubsection;
}
h1:before
{
counter-increment:section;
content:"Section " counter(section) ". ";
}
h2:before 
{
counter-increment:subsection;
content:"Topic " counter(section) "." counter(subsection) " ";
}
h3:before 
{
counter-increment:subsubsection;
content:"Area "counter(section) "." counter(subsection) "." counter(subsubsection) " ";
}


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I can across the CSS content, counter, counter-increment, and counter-reset and thought that these would be a great ( = 'easy') way to number sections and chapters.

Works great (text, TOC, etc.) in Sigil and in Calibre viewer, but in ADE and the Kindle the numbering and the content (like 'Section, 'Topc', 'Area' below don't appear.

Is this a lack of functionality in ADE and Kindle, or is there a workaround?


Code:
body
{
counter-reset:section;
}
h1
{
counter-reset:subsection;
}
h2
{
counter-reset:subsubsection;
}
h1:before
{
counter-increment:section;
content:"Section " counter(section) ". ";
}
h2:before 
{
counter-increment:subsection;
content:"Topic " counter(section) "." counter(subsection) " ";
}
h3:before 
{
counter-increment:subsubsection;
content:"Area "counter(section) "." counter(subsection) "." counter(subsubsection) " ";
}


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I think you found one of the CSS things that is not part of the EPUB spec, but works in some viewers

Rule of thumb: don't count on these kinds of Features, they will fail when you most need them
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Darn, I was afraid that it was too easy.

Out of curousity, where do such CSS things get used then, browsers only???

I'll keep them in mind tho, maybe EPUB4 will allow them

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Darn, I was afraid that it was too easy.

Out of curousity, where do such CSS things get used then, browsers only???

I'll keep them in mind tho, maybe EPUB4 will allow them

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EPUB uses a subset of HTML and CSS.
So Web Browsers is the most common.

BTW Just because it IS allowed in the EPUB spec, does not mean that all devices support it. Just ask the professionals that visit here

TEST on different target devices, not just emulators.

And don't count on Sigil or Calibre's viewers either way (pass or fail). They have their render quirks also.
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I can across the CSS content, counter, counter-increment, and counter-reset and thought that these would be a great ( = 'easy') way to number sections and chapters.

Works great (text, TOC, etc.) in Sigil and in Calibre viewer, but in ADE and the Kindle the numbering and the content (like 'Section, 'Topc', 'Area' below don't appear.

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Hi Paul;

Regarding Kindle, (at least K4NT) IT WORKS! I compiled your epub with Kindlegen 2.9 and the mobi I got shows numbering as should be.

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@RbnJrg -- thanks, I used Calibre's convert to make the AZ3 and the Kindle previewer. I'll go back and double check and then use kindlegen to make a mobi file and see if that's better. I usually prefer AZ3 since I can select Publisher Font

@theducks -- you're right, I should have used the actual device. Lesson learned

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@RbnJrg -- thanks, I used Calibre's convert to make the AZ3 and the Kindle previewer. I'll go back and double check and then use kindlegen to make a mobi file and see if that's better. I usually prefer AZ3 since I can select Publisher Font

@theducks -- you're right, I should have used the actual device. Lesson learned

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Well, most CSS happens in web pages! eBooks are just a minor backwater, using a dumbed-down version of XHTML.

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Yes, use Kindlegen instead of Calibre. And of course, to use this kind of feature, you must work with azw3 since the old mobi format doesn't support counters (actually doesn't support anything )
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Using Kindlegen 2.9 seems to 'honor' the counter CSS, so that's a lot of progress.

But it makes a MOBI file, is there a way to get the AZW3 file so that Publisher Font is supported?

Thanks again

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Using Kindlegen 2.9 seems to 'honor' the counter CSS, so that's a lot of progress.

But it makes a MOBI file, is there a way to get the AZW3 file so that Publisher Font is supported?

Thanks again

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Paul:

Why do you believe that Publisher Font isn't supported with KindleGen? And what will you do for the fallback coding for the mobi (k7) version? Did KG support that for the K7's?

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But it makes a MOBI file, is there a way to get the AZW3 file so that Publisher Font is supported?
By default, KindleGen will create a hybrid mobi file that contains both AZW3 and MOBI7 files. AZW3 capable devices and apps will automatically display only the AZW3 part. (If you want to save space you can unpack the azw3 part with the KindleUnpack Calibre plugin.)

BTW, if you're only interested in auto-incrementing counters, you won't need to use KindleGen, because Calibre generated AZW3 files support auto-incrementing counters just fine, as long as you select AZW3 and not MOBI as the target format.

However, as Hitch has pointed out, if you preparing a book for submission to Amazon KDP, you'll have to implement fall-back styles, which makes the use of auto-incementing pointer moot, because there's no point in using auto-incrementing counters and hard-coded numbers, because you might as well only use hard-coded numbers.
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BTW, if you're only interested in auto-incrementing counters, you won't need to use KindleGen, because Calibre generated AZW3 files support auto-incrementing counters just fine, as long as you select AZW3 and not MOBI as the target format.

However, as Hitch has pointed out, if you preparing a book for submission to Amazon KDP, you'll have to implement fall-back styles, which makes the use of auto-incementing pointer moot, because there's no point in using auto-incrementing counters and hard-coded numbers, because you might as well only use hard-coded numbers.
Apoligies -- you are correct about Calibre supporting counters just fine ... except in the AZW3 TOC page which is as far as i looked (Big shame on me). Probably not needed in the TOC anyways,since the H1, H2, etc. structure accomplish the same thing

Since the stuff I do is for personal or family use, I can live with that, and now that I understand how counters are used, I think I can make my life easier. The last PD book I re-formatted ('cleaned') had 3-4 Parts (h1), and about 60 Chapters (h2), all numbered the hard way

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