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Old 06-13-2013, 10:58 PM   #31
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Consider this:

-1st there were DRM music
- Now music is DRM free
- Ebooks are still DRM
- Until when?

I haven't dug myself into the background of all this and how the industry works but in your best knowledge how long we will have to use DRM ebooks?
Until people will still accept this sh** which is useless, cost a lot and can be unDRMised easily xD
Well I don't buy any books which have DRM. I am not the only one.
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This is not a British or a US only forum. It's a world wide forum. So, you have to go with the World's majority and the majority worldwide is ePub.
Quite an extraordinary statement as the self-described largest seller of epubs (B&N) doesn't even sell out of the US. Google Books is not available in many countries.

Since Amazon has no fear of customers beyond its borders, it's more logical to assume that mobi is the "majority worldwide".
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Old 06-14-2013, 01:30 AM   #34
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Why would they stop using DRM ?
People keep buying DRM'ed books so they don't have any real incentive to stop taking us for fools.

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Consider this:

-1st there were DRM music
- Now music is DRM free
- Ebooks are still DRM
- Until when?

I haven't dug myself into the background of all this and how the industry works but in your best knowledge how long we will have to use DRM ebooks?
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Old 06-14-2013, 01:35 AM   #35
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You miss the point.
You may remove DRM's from your e-books but the point is you keep on buying DRM'ed books thus the publishers have no reason to stop annoying you with it.

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What DRM? All of my books are DRM free thanks to Alf.
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Old 06-14-2013, 01:42 AM   #36
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I have Data. Locked in a box next to Lore. Lore thinks that the fact that the DRM is so easy to strip due to a lack of commitment. Data thinks that the publishers are afraid to get too intrusive with the DRM lest the average consumer get ticked off at additional hassles.

I think that I locked them both back in the box.
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Old 06-14-2013, 02:24 AM   #37
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Quite an extraordinary statement as the self-described largest seller of epubs (B&N) doesn't even sell out of the US.
Actually, B&N do now sell in the UK (http://uk.nook.com/). They haven't been here long, though, maybe a year?
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Old 06-14-2013, 02:46 AM   #38
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I got the secret lingo about Alf. However, I have a little problem with it. Does he have a support forum or something? I know it's not quite appropriate to discuss him here in great detail.

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Old 06-14-2013, 02:48 AM   #39
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Don't forget DRM in Games. Although that trend is dying out. With the upcoming PlayStation 4, hopefully it will get this trend out of the way completely.

As for your epub reader/ kindle discussion, I don't think any of you have any real data (just as me).
However, imo, the very fact that amazon sells its product to 140 countries over the world, while kobo and nook don't, points to jgaiser and HarryT being on the right track.

If an average joe wants to buy an ereader, kindle is the easiest choice.
I'm not arguing it's the best one. That's relative.

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I got the secret lingo about Alf. However, I have a little problem with it. Does he have a support forum or something? I know it's not quite appropriate to discuss him here in great detail. Pls. PM me if that's more appropriate.
Google 'Apprentice Alf' and all shall be revealed
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Old 06-14-2013, 04:09 AM   #41
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I am familiar with him. What I need is his tech support forum.
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Old 06-14-2013, 04:13 AM   #42
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I am familiar with him. What I need is his tech support forum.
Same place you got the tools from. Leave a comment on the blog.
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Until people will still accept this sh** which is useless, cost a lot and can be unDRMised easily xD
Well I don't buy any books which have DRM. I am not the only one.
You're harming only yourself through that course of action. Publishers don't care (because they don't know that you're not buying their books because of DRM - or do you write and tell them?), and you're denying yourself the pleasure of reading books that you'd otherwise buy. Who is losing except you?
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Don't worry I don't deny myself to read book. I know good publisher which are DRM free. And i just said I don't buy DRM ebooks. Not that I don't read.

Don't need to tell them (well in small publisher yes sure). They will not change this sh*** practice if people are agreed to pay 15e for an ebooks with DRM. Why should they?
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Not in Britain, Jon. Amazon totally dominates here. Different market to the US. I know lots of people with readers. Every single one is a Kindle.
I've seen a more even split between Kindle, Kobo & Sony, went to york last week & the only other 2 people I saw with readers had a Red Sony 650 & an iPad. How I laughed at their overpriced reading devices (OK, so I had the Pyrus mini with me, damn think looks like a fisher price toy, got to feel superior about something right )

I have not seen many Nooks in the wild yet, but that may change after the recent fire sale.
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