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Old 06-13-2013, 05:34 PM   #16
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And you have data that says I'm wrong about you not having any data... about being... not... wrong?

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Old 06-13-2013, 05:37 PM   #17
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I've been buying watermarked books for a year now or so. And once I pay I get the copy both in mobi and epub. I haven't touched ADE for a looong time.
I recently noticed that a paper book that I purchased had an offer to get the ebook. Inside the front flap was a page that you had to cut open with some codes in tabular format. On the website you entered two of the codes and registered the paper book with your account, which then gave you permissions to download an unprotected epub, mobi, or pdf. Not sure if the mobi or epub was watermarked, but the PDF had my name and e-mail address on the page footers. Apparently all of that publisher's books were like that. {Manning Publications}

Not a bad system... I wish more paper books did that... I might actually buy more paper books if that were the case.
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Old 06-13-2013, 05:40 PM   #18
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And you have data that says I'm wrong?
You're the one making claims.
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Old 06-13-2013, 05:43 PM   #19
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And you have data that says I'm wrong?
Burden of proof falls on the one making the claim.
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Old 06-13-2013, 05:46 PM   #20
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Actually, it was HarryT who made the original claim. He should be the one backing up his claim. Then you'll know about my claim based on the results of his proof.

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Most people just aren't bothered about DRM. They buy a Kindle; they buy books from Amazon. What DRM? They never see it.
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Old 06-13-2013, 05:54 PM   #21
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Actually, it was HarryT who made the original claim. He should be the one backing up his claim. Then you'll know about my claim based on the results of his proof.
I read his comment as:

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<most people buy device X, tied to store Y, and never think twice about it>
... with Kindle as an example of device X.

Which is probably true of the vast majority of non tech-savvy readers, whether they use mobi or epub.
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Old 06-13-2013, 05:54 PM   #22
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And you have data that says I'm wrong?
Sorry Jon, it doesn't work that way. You made the statement. You provide the proof.
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Old 06-13-2013, 08:52 PM   #23
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Sorry Jon, it doesn't work that way. You made the statement. You provide the proof.
The original statement was by HarryT. He's the one who has to show proof.
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... with Kindle as an example of device X.

Which is probably true of the vast majority of non tech-savvy readers, whether they use mobi or epub.
I'm sorry you have comprehension trouble.
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Old 06-13-2013, 09:12 PM   #25
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Good grief, people! Do I have to turn this forum around and go back home?
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Good grief, people! Do I have to turn this forum around and go back home?
So true and why I stop reading some threads that become mired in a repeating loop. They just go on and on and on and on and..............................
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Old 06-13-2013, 09:43 PM   #27
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As for DRM in ebooks, I think it's too early to tell.
I completely agree. However, since it won't hurt for me to be wrong, here are my guesses:

-- If there are no technical improvements to DRM, use of it, aside from library books, will gradually decline.

-- Publishers whose readers feel some sort of loyalty to them will continue to be more willing to drop DRM. And generalist publishers are not going to generate brand loyalty, DRM or otherwise. Specialized publishers will continue to be less likely to have DRM because they can realistically hope to gain reader loyalty.

-- If Mike Shatzkin is right that specialized publishers will grow and generalists decline, that means less DRM.

-- College textbook publishers, because their audience is somewhat captive while feeling less than zero loyalty to the publisher, will keep DRM the longest.

-- So longer as Amazon lacks a strong preference, book DRM won't totally die.

-- If we get to where virtually every electronic device is continuously connected to seamless wireless Internet, that could allow invention of more effective DRM, which publishers would then widely adopt. As to why someone would buy such semi-Orwellian devices, perhaps they would be free.
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The original statement was by HarryT. He's the one who has to show proof.
Really? Really?? So you have no data and you're just blowing smoke. All right then.
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Sorry. But just sometimes you need to poke that guy in the seat next to you.
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I recently noticed that a paper book that I purchased had an offer to get the ebook. Inside the front flap was a page that you had to cut open with some codes in tabular format. On the website you entered two of the codes and registered the paper book with your account, which then gave you permissions to download an unprotected epub, mobi, or pdf. Not sure if the mobi or epub was watermarked, but the PDF had my name and e-mail address on the page footers. Apparently all of that publisher's books were like that. {Manning Publications}

Not a bad system... I wish more paper books did that... I might actually buy more paper books if that were the case.
I should have said watermarked ebooks, not books. I'd prefer not to have to buy paper in order to get electronic version. That would be 160 real books extra in my house. I have been buying ebooks with watermark but not "on condition that". I don't even see where the watermark is, it is not visible at all. Recently I have been choosing mobi file to put directly on K3. Still put ebooks in calibre but for organisation, not disinfection.
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