Register Guidelines E-Books Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   MobileRead Forums > E-Book Software > Sigil

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 06-08-2013, 10:59 AM   #16
theducks
Grand Sorcerer
theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
theducks's Avatar
 
Posts: 15,263
Karma: 6020309
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: (The original) Silicon Valley, USA
Device: Galaxy Tab 2, Astak Pocket Pro, K4NT
Quote:
Originally Posted by Notjohn View Post
Sometimes I wonder if I will ever understand this stuff!

(Evidently I was lucky when I changed my blockquote style to simply p. block { !)
Your luck may have been that it got ignored.
Have you ever seen a BQ inside a P? I don't think that usage is even valid.
BQ inside a DIV
theducks is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-08-2013, 12:56 PM   #17
RbnJrg
Evangelist
RbnJrg ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.RbnJrg ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.RbnJrg ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.RbnJrg ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.RbnJrg ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.RbnJrg ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.RbnJrg ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.RbnJrg ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.RbnJrg ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.RbnJrg ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.RbnJrg ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 487
Karma: 318996
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Rosario - Santa Fe - Argentina
Device: Kindle 4 NT
Quote:
Originally Posted by theducks View Post
Your luck may have been that it got ignored.
Have you ever seen a BQ inside a P? I don't think that usage is even valid.
BQ inside a DIV
I think he was ironic, he was making a joke
RbnJrg is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-08-2013, 07:31 PM   #18
phossler
Addict
phossler can understand the language of future parallel dimensionsphossler can understand the language of future parallel dimensionsphossler can understand the language of future parallel dimensionsphossler can understand the language of future parallel dimensionsphossler can understand the language of future parallel dimensionsphossler can understand the language of future parallel dimensionsphossler can understand the language of future parallel dimensionsphossler can understand the language of future parallel dimensionsphossler can understand the language of future parallel dimensionsphossler can understand the language of future parallel dimensionsphossler can understand the language of future parallel dimensions
 
Posts: 371
Karma: 51406
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Valley Forge, PA, USA
Device: kindle
Quote:
Evidently I was lucky when I changed my blockquote style to simply p. block { !)
Oh, I was thinking that it was a <p> tag class

Code:
<p class = "block"> blah, blah, blah </p>
Paul
phossler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-08-2013, 07:34 PM   #19
JSWolf
Resident Curmudgeon
JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
JSWolf's Avatar
 
Posts: 38,530
Karma: 19637653
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts
Device: Kobo Aura H2O, Sony PRS-650, Sony PRS-T1, nook STR, iPad 1, iPhone 5
What I want to know is why use a simulated blockquote when a real blockquote will do? This just smacks of laziness.
JSWolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-08-2013, 11:29 PM   #20
Turtle91
Guru
Turtle91 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Turtle91 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Turtle91 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Turtle91 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Turtle91 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Turtle91 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Turtle91 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Turtle91 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Turtle91 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Turtle91 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Turtle91 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Turtle91's Avatar
 
Posts: 669
Karma: 3807234
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Shannon, Ireland today
Device: iPhone 5/iPad 1&2/Surface Pro/Kindle PW
Quote:
Originally Posted by JSWolf View Post
What I want to know is why use a simulated blockquote when a real blockquote will do? This just smacks of laziness.
That's just like people who use
.italic {font-style:italic}
<span class="italic">yadda yadda yadda</span>

instead of
em {font-style:italic}
<em>yadda yadda yadda</em>

Although I wouldn't call it laziness as much as "industrious bloat lovers that might not fully understand the code"...

Last edited by Turtle91; 06-08-2013 at 11:33 PM.
Turtle91 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-08-2013, 11:31 PM   #21
JSWolf
Resident Curmudgeon
JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
JSWolf's Avatar
 
Posts: 38,530
Karma: 19637653
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts
Device: Kobo Aura H2O, Sony PRS-650, Sony PRS-T1, nook STR, iPad 1, iPhone 5
Quote:
Originally Posted by Turtle91 View Post
That's just like people who use
.italic {font-style:italic}
<span class="italic">yadda yadda yadda</span>

instead of
em {font-style:italic}
<em>yadda yadda yadda</em>

Although I wouldn't call it laziness as much as "industrious bloat lovers that might not fully understand the code"...
In English, lazy as if they bothered to learn what they were doing, they'd use <blockquote>, <i>, and <b>.
JSWolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2013, 01:41 AM   #22
GrannyGrump
Persnickity Nitpicker
GrannyGrump ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.GrannyGrump ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.GrannyGrump ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.GrannyGrump ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.GrannyGrump ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.GrannyGrump ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.GrannyGrump ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.GrannyGrump ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.GrannyGrump ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.GrannyGrump ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.GrannyGrump ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
GrannyGrump's Avatar
 
Posts: 570
Karma: 2673214
Join Date: May 2011
Location: JAPAN (US expatriate)
Device: Sony PRS-T2, ADE on PC
Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought that <i> and <b> were being deprecated, and that we were encouraged to use <em> and <strong> (I usually style these in the CSS as italic and bold, respectively). I would rather use the concise <i> and <b>, but not if it means they will fail some years down the road. Although, I guess they could be styled in the CSS as well:
i {font-style: italic}

I also don't quite get the usage of blockquote. What is the advantage of blockquote over a div? Other than getting "default" blockquote styling. Wouldn't it be just as easy to style a div for what is required? I'm sure I am overlooking the obvious here.

Last edited by GrannyGrump; 06-10-2013 at 01:54 AM.
GrannyGrump is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2013, 02:04 AM   #23
DaleDe
Grand Sorcerer
DaleDe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DaleDe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DaleDe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DaleDe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DaleDe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DaleDe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DaleDe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DaleDe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DaleDe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DaleDe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DaleDe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
DaleDe's Avatar
 
Posts: 9,782
Karma: 5137308
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Grass Valley, CA
Device: EB 1150, EZ Reader, Literati, iPad 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by grannyGrumpy View Post
Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought that <i> and <b> were being deprecated, and that we were encouraged to use <em> and <strong> (I usually style these in the CSS as italic and bold, respectively). I would rather use the concise <i> and <b>, but not if it means they will fail some years down the road. Although, I guess they could be styled in the CSS as well:
i {font-style: italic}

I also don't quite get the usage of blockquote. What is the advantage of blockquote over a div? Other than getting "default" blockquote styling. Wouldn't it be just as easy to style a div for what is required? I'm sure I am overlooking the obvious here.
You can always use a div. I have seen automatic tools that use div everywhere. While it may work it is impossible to understand. Semantically correct code files are much easier to work with and much easier to understand. The less div's the better. Besides div does not support the semantics and syntax of quoting the author source. Although in ePub 2 it is unlikely that that will get displayed in a meaningful way in most readers.

Dale
DaleDe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2013, 03:29 AM   #24
Toxaris
Wizard
Toxaris ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Toxaris ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Toxaris ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Toxaris ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Toxaris ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Toxaris ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Toxaris ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Toxaris ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Toxaris ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Toxaris ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Toxaris ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Toxaris's Avatar
 
Posts: 3,183
Karma: 7180223
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Heemskerk, NL
Device: PRS-300, PRS-T1
Quote:
Originally Posted by grannyGrumpy View Post
Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought that <i> and <b> were being deprecated, and that we were encouraged to use <em> and <strong> (I usually style these in the CSS as italic and bold, respectively). I would rather use the concise <i> and <b>, but not if it means they will fail some years down the road. Although, I guess they could be styled in the CSS as well:
i {font-style: italic}
You are correct... However, I don't use <em> and <strong>. I know I can specify in the stylesheet how they must look like, but now it is up to the browser how to display them. I rather use <i> and <b>. The have been deprecated for a long time, but I don't see them going anytime soon.
Toxaris is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2013, 07:08 AM   #25
Notjohn
Addict
Notjohn ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Notjohn ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Notjohn ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Notjohn ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Notjohn ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Notjohn ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Notjohn ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Notjohn ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Notjohn ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Notjohn ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Notjohn ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 248
Karma: 246332
Join Date: Dec 2012
Device: Kindle
Quote:
Originally Posted by phossler View Post
Oh, I was thinking that it was a <p> tag class

Code:
<p class = "block"> blah, blah, blah </p>
Paul
Yes, that's what I do. Works a charm. I'm not going <blockquote> text </blockquote> in the body of the book. Oddly, that never occurred to me, though I do it all the time on web pages.

My blockquotes (or blocks) are Courier. I find that while this works fine in *.mobi format, when I use Sigil to build an epub, special characters like bullets and en dashes don't display correctly; I must change them to asterisks and hyphens. Why would that be?
Notjohn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2013, 11:54 AM   #26
DaleDe
Grand Sorcerer
DaleDe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DaleDe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DaleDe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DaleDe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DaleDe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DaleDe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DaleDe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DaleDe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DaleDe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DaleDe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DaleDe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
DaleDe's Avatar
 
Posts: 9,782
Karma: 5137308
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Grass Valley, CA
Device: EB 1150, EZ Reader, Literati, iPad 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by Notjohn View Post
Yes, that's what I do. Works a charm. I'm not going <blockquote> text </blockquote> in the body of the book. Oddly, that never occurred to me, though I do it all the time on web pages.

My blockquotes (or blocks) are Courier. I find that while this works fine in *.mobi format, when I use Sigil to build an epub, special characters like bullets and en dashes don't display correctly; I must change them to asterisks and hyphens. Why would that be?
Those are likely not present in the Courier font. Using entities might serve as a workaround but even there it would depend on the reading device to recognize them and use a different font set. However, Courier is a fixed width font which does not work well with the idea of an emdash.

Dale

Last edited by DaleDe; 06-10-2013 at 11:57 AM.
DaleDe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2013, 11:59 AM   #27
JSWolf
Resident Curmudgeon
JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
JSWolf's Avatar
 
Posts: 38,530
Karma: 19637653
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts
Device: Kobo Aura H2O, Sony PRS-650, Sony PRS-T1, nook STR, iPad 1, iPhone 5
Quote:
Originally Posted by grannyGrumpy View Post
Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought that <i> and <b> were being deprecated, and that we were encouraged to use <em> and <strong> (I usually style these in the CSS as italic and bold, respectively). I would rather use the concise <i> and <b>, but not if it means they will fail some years down the road. Although, I guess they could be styled in the CSS as well:
i {font-style: italic}
There is just too much code out there with <i> and <b> for them to be going anywhere. It just isn't going to happen.

Quote:
I also don't quite get the usage of blockquote. What is the advantage of blockquote over a div? Other than getting "default" blockquote styling. Wouldn't it be just as easy to style a div for what is required? I'm sure I am overlooking the obvious here.
Well for one thing, it's a lot easier to read the code when you see a blockquote where it should be then when you see a div. Also, you know what a blockquote is meant to be doing. You don't have to figure out what you need to do to the div to simulate the blockquote. It's just easier to use a blockquote when that's what you want.
JSWolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2013, 04:58 AM   #28
Jellby
frumious Bandersnatch
Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Jellby's Avatar
 
Posts: 6,316
Karma: 4963983
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Spaniard in Sweden
Device: Cybook Orizon, Kobo Aura
Quote:
Originally Posted by grannyGrumpy View Post
I also don't quite get the usage of blockquote. What is the advantage of blockquote over a div?
Actually, one could do everything with just <div>s (and maybe <a>). Even <span>s are mostly not needed.

<p> -> <div class="paragraph">
<blockquote> -> <div class="blockquote">
<h3> -> <div class="header3">
<i> -> <div class="italic"> (with display:inline)
<table> -> <div class="table"> (with display:table)
etc.

But, as JSWolf says, using the right element makes it more readable, and better behaved when CSS is not properly supported / available
Jellby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2013, 05:40 AM   #29
GrannyGrump
Persnickity Nitpicker
GrannyGrump ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.GrannyGrump ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.GrannyGrump ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.GrannyGrump ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.GrannyGrump ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.GrannyGrump ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.GrannyGrump ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.GrannyGrump ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.GrannyGrump ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.GrannyGrump ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.GrannyGrump ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
GrannyGrump's Avatar
 
Posts: 570
Karma: 2673214
Join Date: May 2011
Location: JAPAN (US expatriate)
Device: Sony PRS-T2, ADE on PC
I've never had anything that require the "cite" function. And always styled a div for poetry, quoted print items, quoted letters, quoted signs/cards, etc.

So do I understand correctly that it would be preferable to use various blockquote stylings to set up these pieces of text?
GrannyGrump is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2013, 08:17 AM   #30
Jellby
frumious Bandersnatch
Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Jellby's Avatar
 
Posts: 6,316
Karma: 4963983
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Spaniard in Sweden
Device: Cybook Orizon, Kobo Aura
IMO, for quoted letters and print items definitely. For signs/cards and poetry I still use <div>s, because their layout is more visual than semantical.
Jellby is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Does <blockquote> need <p> tags? phossler Sigil 3 05-11-2013 05:40 PM
Blockquote problem kamanza Conversion 2 01-20-2013 01:19 PM
blockquote grievance Kamikuza Amazon Kindle 4 11-04-2012 08:03 PM
blockquote over ride dicknskip Sigil 3 03-21-2011 05:44 PM
FBReader blockquote minigrrl PocketBook 3 03-09-2010 09:09 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:02 PM.


MobileRead.com is a privately owned, operated and funded community.