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Old 06-05-2013, 09:13 PM   #1
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<blockquote> help, please

I'm trying to style a <blockquote> in my style sheet, but it looks fine but fails FlightCrew with "no character data allowed by content model". I'd really prefer a "No Errors" check just to avoid missing something important

CSS is basic:


Code:
html, body {
	height: 100%;
	margin: 0;
	padding:0;
	border-width: 0;
	font-family:"Charis SIL";
}

@page {
	margin: 5pt;
}

h1 {
	page-break-before: always;
	page-break-after: avoid;
	text-indent: 0;
	text-align: center;
	margin-top:0;
	margin-bottom: 2em;
	font-size: 2em;
	font-weight: bold;
	font-style: normal;
}

p {
	text-indent:2em;
	text-align: left;
	font-size: 1em;
	margin-top:0;
	margin-bottom: 1em;
	font-size: 1em;
	font-weight: normal;
	font-style: normal;
	line-height:120%;
}

.noindent {
	text-indent: 0;
}

h1 + p {
	text-indent:0;
}

blockquote {
	text-indent: 0em;
	text-align: left;
	font-size: 1em;
	margin-left:10%;
	margin-right:10%;
	margin-top:1em;
	margin-bottom: 1em;
	font-size: 1em;
	font-weight: normal;
	font-style: italic;
	line-height:120%;
}
and the epub:

Code:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" standalone="no"?>
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN"
  "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd">

<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
<head>
  <title></title>
  <link href="../Styles/epub1.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" />
</head>

<body>
  <h1>Title Here</h1>

  <p>1 -- Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Nulla ac tellus nunc. Phasellus imperdiet leo metus, et gravida lacus. Donec metus ligula, elementum at pellentesque pellentesque, suscipit ac nunc. Etiam lobortis, massa ac aliquam auctor, augue nisl sagittis urna, at dapibus tellus erat ullamcorper ligula.</p>

  <blockquote>
    <p class="noindent">2 -- Praesent orci dui, pulvinar id convallis a, faucibus non mauris. Donec tellus augue, tempus sed facilisis sed, fringilla quis leo. Mauris vulputate, leo ac facilisis vulputate, enim orci interdum augue, in blandit quam turpis quis dui. Morbi dictum luctus velit nec faucibus.</p>
  </blockquote>

  <blockquote class="noindent">
    <p>3 -- Praesent orci dui, pulvinar id convallis a, faucibus non mauris. Donec tellus augue, tempus sed facilisis sed, fringilla quis leo. Mauris vulputate, leo ac facilisis vulputate, enim orci interdum augue, in blandit quam turpis quis dui. Morbi dictum luctus velit nec faucibus.</p>
  </blockquote>

  <blockquote>
    4 -- Praesent orci dui, pulvinar id convallis a, faucibus non mauris. Donec tellus augue, tempus sed facilisis sed, fringilla quis leo. Mauris vulputate, leo ac facilisis vulputate, enim orci interdum augue, in blandit quam turpis quis dui. Morbi dictum luctus velit nec faucibus. Cras vitae tortor purus, ut tincidunt mauris.
  </blockquote>

  <blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;">
    <p>5 --- Sed at velit nisl. Donec eu mauris tortor, interdum condimentum erat. Nam egestas turpis eget nibh laoreet pharetra. Suspendisse a sem eros, ut pulvinar enim. In sed elit eu nulla accumsan tincidunt eget sit amet ipsum. Nullam ut massa rutrum dolor placerat tempor accumsan eget purus.</p>
  </blockquote>
</body>
</html>
para 1 - </h1><p> works fine, the h1+p works very nicely (learned it here)

para 2 -<blockquote><p class="noindent"> is indented correctly, but loses the italic from the blockquote

para 3 - <blockquote class="noindent"><p> no italic and wrong indent

para 4 - <blockquote> has italic and correct alignment, but fails FlightCrew

para 5 - <blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p> is from the Sigil [Increase Indent] button


So the question is ...

.... how can I style the stylesheet to get the intended result (para 4), but not give me FlightCrew errors (apparently since there are no <p> tags)???


Thanks

Paul

BTW, I wish the [Increase Indent] would only wrap <blockquote> tags. I have to use a Clip to do that
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Old 06-05-2013, 10:02 PM   #2
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I'm trying to style a <blockquote> in my style sheet, but it looks fine but fails FlightCrew with "no character data allowed by content model". I'd really prefer a "No Errors" check just to avoid missing something important

CSS is basic:



Paul

BTW, I wish the [Increase Indent] would only wrap <blockquote> tags. I have to use a Clip to do that
You must have something left naked inside the BQ

Why are you using a No Indent on the BQ. The No-indent should be on the P
I think you are trying to do too much at the wrong box (layer)
Style the text with its own class, control the overall margins in the BQ style

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This is a difference between html and xhtml. Blockquote is a semantic element and is used to enclose something that was quoted. (It allows citing the source for example) It is not intended to be used to style as block elements are but html based browser code will interpret it as if it were html and style based on it. In html blockquote was often under a parent paragraph and inherited css accordingly from a p element, not the other way around. This difference in semantic vs. block elements is why it is behaving the way it is. You might find a ePub 3 compatible engine that would use it the way it was designed.

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Old 06-05-2013, 10:43 PM   #4
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One technique i use is to define the properties of a generic blockquote container itself, then use a complex selector to style all paragraphs within a BQ a certain way:

blockquote {margin:2em}

blockquote.write p {text-align:left; text-indent:1em; font-style:italic}
blockquote.print p {text-align:justify; text-indent:0; font-family:unicode}

<blockquote class="write">
<p>...</p>
<p>...</p>
<p>...</p>
</blockquote>

<blockquote class="print">
<p>...</p>
<p>...</p>
<p>...</p>
</blockquote>

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The reason you loose the italic is because you set it in the blockquote, but override it in your paragraph style (font-style: normal). Since the <p> is inside the <blockquote> it overtakes the font-style.
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FlightCrew imposes XHTML 1.1 restrictions on HTML syntax; they are mostly the same as XHTML 1.0 Strict (just a little stricter). This includes the principle that the blockquote element must not directly contain text or text-level markup; everything inside it needs to be wrapped in block-level containers. A quick workaround is to use <blockquote><div>...</div></blockquote>.
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FlightCrew imposes XHTML 1.1 restrictions on HTML syntax; they are mostly the same as XHTML 1.0 Strict (just a little stricter).
Actually it is not FlightCrew, but the specs that impose XHTML 1.1.
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Hi phossler;

You can fix your problem by adding the following style in you css stylesheet:

Code:
blockquote p {
    font-style: italic;
    text-indent: 0;
}
After that, you can use inside your blockquotes, the following formula:

Code:
<blockquote>
  <p>...something...</p>
</blockquote>
With that, your epub will pass the FlightCrew's test. I attach a new epub with the changes.

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Thanks all --

I guess I misunderstood the CSS intended use of <blockquote>, thinking it was for formatting and not as a container.


@RbnJrg --

I had never seen the

Code:
blockquote p
before, only as something like

Code:
h1 + p
i.e. with the plus

Can you (or anyone) explain the difference or provide a link please? I use

http://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp

and couldn't figure out what to search for

Thanks

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Thanks all --

I guess I misunderstood the CSS intended use of <blockquote>, thinking it was for formatting and not as a container.


@RbnJrg --

I had never seen the

Code:
blockquote p
Thanks

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Look in section 5.1 of CSS2.:
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@RbnJrg --

I had never seen the

Code:
blockquote p
...

Can you (or anyone) explain the difference or provide a link please?
Hi Paul;

I used a "descendant selector" With just typing in Google "css descendat selector" you'll find a lot of info about it. However you can read a clear (and synthetic) explanation here:

http://css.maxdesign.com.au/selectut...descendant.htm

With:

Code:
blockquote + p {.... }
the style is only applied at the first appearance of <p> after a blockquote tag. But with:

Code:
blockquote p {.... }
the style is applied to ALL appearance of <p> inside <blockquote>...</blockquote>.

Now you know another css resource

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Now you know another css resource
Thanks. That looks like it will be very useful also

(I need all the help I can get)

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the style is only applied at the first appearance of <p> after a blockquote tag.
And "after" means after the whole lot of it, i.e., after it is closed, not after the opening tag.
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And "after" means after the whole lot of it, i.e., after it is closed, not after the opening tag.
Indeed. A very good aclaration. After re-reading my explanation I realized that was no so clear.
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Sometimes I wonder if I will ever understand this stuff!

(Evidently I was lucky when I changed my blockquote style to simply p. block { !)
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