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Old 05-08-2013, 10:22 PM   #1
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The American Senator by Anthony Trollope

This is the MR Literary Club selection for May 2013. Whether you've already read it or would like to, feel free to start or join in the conversation at any time! Guests are also always welcome.


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Anyone knows what " beating up the wine to freshen it up" (page 11) means?
I guess it is not essential for the rest of the story, but I googled it and can't find it.
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Anyone knows what " beating up the wine to freshen it up" (page 11) means?
I guess it is not essential for the rest of the story, but I googled it and can't find it.
I don't know, and trying to deduce meaning from context was fruitless. It reads like a complete non sequitur. Monty Python could have written that paragraph.
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I don't know, and trying to deduce meaning from context was fruitless. It reads like a complete non sequitur. Monty Python could have written that paragraph.
He, he, I had visions of ice- cubes and a shaker........
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Anyone knows what " beating up the wine to freshen it up" (page 11) means?
I guess it is not essential for the rest of the story, but I googled it and can't find it.
It could be that this is referring to the act of aerating the wine to improve the quality of it more quickly.

You know how people refer to letting wine "breathe"? Beating the wine could be a way of hastening that process. These days you can buy devices that you attach the neck of the wine bottle so that when you pour, the device aerates the wine to speed up the "breathing" process. If you beat wine - like an egg - you are essentially aerating it.
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It could be that this is referring to the act of aerating the wine to improve the quality of it more quickly.

You know how people refer to letting wine "breathe"? Beating the wine could be a way of hastening that process. These days you can buy devices that you attach the neck of the wine bottle so that when you pour, the device aerates the wine to speed up the "breathing" process. If you beat wine - like an egg - you are essentially aerating it.
Thank you Caleb, perhaps this gentle way to improve the wine would be the answer.
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Or it could be a means of reviving it if it goes a bit flat before use.
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Or it could be a means of reviving it if it goes a bit flat before use.
Ah! You mean if it's sparkling wine? Good point. I didn't think of that.
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If you beat wine - like an egg - you are essentially aerating it.
That was the first thing I thought of, but the context makes that make as little sense as anything else I could imagine. Something about a sign post? Huh?

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Or it could be a means of reviving it if it goes a bit flat before use.
This article, How to care for homemade wine, from The Household Cyclopedia of General Information uses the phrase "beat up" in its recommendation for how to revive flat wine (scroll down a bit). That may be it.
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This article, How to care for homemade wine, from The Household Cyclopedia of General Information uses the phrase "beat up" in its recommendation for how to revive flat wine (scroll down a bit). That may be it.
Thanks Issybird; this seems to be the answer. An interesting document from the time the book was written.
Having read the different (brutal) treatments of the wine, I don't have a high opinion of British palates in those days......
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I think it's a tribute to the sturdy British constitution that they were able to drink the stuff after such treatment and not poison themselves!
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This article, How to care for homemade wine, from The Household Cyclopedia of General Information uses the phrase "beat up" in its recommendation for how to revive flat wine (scroll down a bit). That may be it.
Ah yay! Thanks for that issybird.
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great find, thank you!
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great find, thank you!
I guess I'm missing it. I see references in that guide to beating some other ingredients and putting them in a wine cask, but nothing about beating the wine itself nor any sign of how it would fit in the context of the book. :-(

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