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Old 05-02-2013, 10:39 PM   #16
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"All Quotes are not at the Beginning or End" he said.

The simple S&R above assumed this was the case.
Using the Clips editor to enclose selected text in curly quotes is a workable solution.
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Old 05-02-2013, 11:34 PM   #17
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@Hoods7070 -- if you want to *temporarily* remap your keyboard to type curly quotes instead of straight quotes, I recommend using AutoHotkey. (probably other macro/scripting software will do it as well, but this is the one I use and am familiar with.)

I have a script that runs from the taskbar, and when I activate this feature, my "quote" keys send the curly quotes instead. Sometimes I use the F1 and F2 keys instead of the quote keys when I need to also type straight quotes in the code.

If you are interested, I can post the script here, but you do have to install AutoHotkey .
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Old 05-03-2013, 05:12 AM   #18
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Well, since from the discussion above it seems my way is as easy and efficient as any other, and not remotely complicated, I think I'll stick with it, bar some day finding a way to force my keyboard to type "smart quotes" as I go.
You could switch to Mac.
open-double-quotes (“): option-[
close-double-quotes (”): option-shift-[
open-single-quotes (‘): option-]
close-single-quotes (’): option-shift-]
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Old 05-03-2013, 05:41 AM   #19
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Well, since from the discussion above it seems my way is as easy and efficient as any other, and not remotely complicated, I think I'll stick with it, bar some day finding a way to force my keyboard to type "smart quotes" as I go.

i.e. a) edit in Sigil correcting quotes - using keyboard straight quotes as needed, then b) converting ALL quotes to straight via search/replace, c) using Book Polish with smart quotes checked - alll quotes are fixed to curly quotes. Three simple steps and it's done, so I suppose there was no point whining in the first place.
The point is, though, that it's NOT done. If you don't do manual checking, you're doomed to failure, because no automated system is going to get it right.

In particular, words which begin in apostrophes, such as the 'Tis that Paul mentioned in an earlier post will break most automated systems, because the automated system can't know whether it's an open left single quote or a right single quote (it is of course a right quote).

The bottom line is that by all means use your automated replacement, but then you MUST check by hand afterwards and fix the things it's got wrong.
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Old 05-03-2013, 05:54 AM   #20
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and things get worse when there are errors in the text, like missing/wrong quotes, missing/extra spaces around them, etc.
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Old 05-03-2013, 12:38 PM   #21
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Actually, I have several wildcard searches and a dialogue macro to get all the quotes right and find all the missing one. They are for Word though, but after these I haven't found a wrong one yet.
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Old 05-03-2013, 01:24 PM   #22
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How can any automated system know whether a word beginning with a single quote is a left open quote or a right quote apostrophe? I just don't see that it can be done.

Eg,
'hello there', he said

vs:
'Tis a beautiful day to make a 'phone call.

Will your macros really handle both of these correctly?
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Old 05-03-2013, 01:46 PM   #23
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Or unbalanced quotations that span paragraphs?

"Blah, blah, bah.
"Blah, blah-blah-blah."
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Old 05-03-2013, 03:14 PM   #24
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Eg,
'hello there', he said

vs:
'Tis a beautiful day to make a 'phone call.
Or, more extreme:

Don't 'hello there' me.

vs.

He said that 'tis a dogs' life.

(maybe not the best examples, but you see what I mean). It's simpler if you just set apostrophes and right single quotes to the same character, but suppose you don't...
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Old 05-03-2013, 03:36 PM   #25
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How can any automated system know whether a word beginning with a single quote is a left open quote or a right quote apostrophe? I just don't see that it can be done.

Eg,
'hello there', he said

vs:
'Tis a beautiful day to make a 'phone call.

Will your macros really handle both of these correctly?
Yup. The combination will, since the second sentence isn't a dialogue.

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Or unbalanced quotations that span paragraphs?

"Blah, blah, bah.
"Blah, blah-blah-blah."
Yup, although not automatic. The macro will ask for the appropiate action here.

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Or, more extreme:

Don't 'hello there' me.

vs.

He said that 'tis a dogs' life.

(maybe not the best examples, but you see what I mean). It's simpler if you just set apostrophes and right single quotes to the same character, but suppose you don't...
Should not be a problem at all.

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Old 05-03-2013, 07:53 PM   #26
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Yup. The combination will, since the second sentence isn't a dialogue.



Yup, although not automatic. The macro will ask for the appropiate action here.



Should not be a problem at all.
Stop it, Toxie, you big tease:

You are giving them macro lust.

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Old 05-04-2013, 02:22 AM   #27
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You can already testdrive Hitch, so you have the advantage... English translation on its way.
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You can already testdrive Hitch, so you have the advantage... English translation on its way.
I know, I know. I'm was teasing. ;-)

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