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Old 04-21-2013, 04:54 PM   #271
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I noted the GoodReader review had something about line spacing and justification not supported on side loads.

Is that the case with other Kobo devices?
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Old 04-21-2013, 05:22 PM   #273
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I noted the GoodReader review had something about line spacing and justification not supported on side loads.

Is that the case with other Kobo devices?
Definitely not. Sometimes publishers create css code in their epubs that stop the Kobo adjustments working. I've never yet found a non-DRM sideloaded epub which can't be tweaked so that Kobo adjustments work properly.

ereader developers have 2 choices:
1. Ignore any internal epub css and use only the device settings
2. Use device settings unless internal epub css says different.

As far as I know, Kobo uses the type-2 approach. Personally, I'd be very irritated with any device which completely ignored my own css settings.
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Old 04-21-2013, 05:25 PM   #274
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Yes and No.

Many sideloaded epubs have badly predefined css entries for fixed line spacing and justification, the Kobo uses some predefined settings when they exist, and the in device sliders won't work in that case.

But you can remove those css entries with a calibre conversion or with sigil and the sliders will then work for a sideloaded book aswell.

relative linespacing works without modification, f.e.

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Officeworks now carry the Kobo Touch and Kobo Glo, this isn't stated on their Glo's Where To Buy page either, but they are also the cheapest places to buy Kobo's products Perhaps shoot them an e-mail to see if they'll be stocking it on release here?
If I get the Aura, I'll probably pre-order it. The price difference between the stores when the Glo come out was negligable, and with a pre-order, I'll get guaranteed availability.
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Old 04-21-2013, 05:55 PM   #276
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Yes and No.

Many sideloaded epubs have badly predefined css entries for fixed line spacing and justification, the Kobo uses some predefined settings when they exist, and the in device sliders won't work in that case.

But you can remove those css entries with a calibre conversion or with sigil and the sliders will then work for a sideloaded book aswell.

relative linespacing works without modification, f.e.

I just reread that review and don't see a comment about side loaded content not being adjustable.

I couldn't see any advantage to writing software to detect a sideloaded epub then disabling internal adjustments.

The other alternative was the reviewer was blaming the hardware for a css issue and that just didn't seem possible.
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Old 04-21-2013, 06:44 PM   #277
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I just reread that review and don't see a comment about side loaded content not being adjustable.
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The comment about not being able to adjust was made in the 1st actual review video (not the unboxing video). The short version is that except on what is likely a small number of epubs where it can't/doesn't override the settings in it, you can change spacing and font size.
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Old 04-21-2013, 07:16 PM   #278
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I noted the GoodReader review had something about line spacing and justification not supported on side loads.

Is that the case with other Kobo devices?
You have to remember that while they give long reviews, doing a very good job at showing what the ereader look like, the Goodereader guys are idiots and their videos are to be watched with the sound OFF.
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Old 04-21-2013, 09:36 PM   #279
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I just reread that review and don't see a comment about side loaded content not being adjustable.

I couldn't see any advantage to writing software to detect a sideloaded epub then disabling internal adjustments.
The Kobo firmware has two different reader applications. One is used for the kepubs purchased from Kobo. The other is used for sideloaded books. This is based on Adobe Reader (or whatever they want to call it). As others have said, both allow customisation of the viewer but respect the CSS in the books. That I think is the correct thing to do.
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The other alternative was the reviewer was blaming the hardware for a css issue and that just didn't seem possible.
I think you have it right with this.
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Old 04-21-2013, 10:14 PM   #280
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I noted the GoodReader review had something about line spacing and justification not supported on side loads.

Is that the case with other Kobo devices?
I don't have an Aura but the other Kobo devices respect the settings in the epub's stylesheet. If the stylesheet specifies left justification, you will not be able to override it without removing that setting, the same for line spacing, margins, etc. If you remove those settings, you can set them using the sliders. Font sizing can cause some real oddities if the stylesheet specifies font size in absolute terms instead of the recommended relative terms. You can end up with a book where some font sizes can be varied and other are fixed.

Another issue is books that come with embedded fonts. While the display of embedded fonts has improved, you still have fonts that are extremely light when viewed on an eInk display.

A while back there was a discussion about margins where I ended up by editing an epub to generate two versions. The first had my favourite margin settings of 0 while the second used a fairly large fixed margin. The Kobo Glo would not reduce the margins below those set in the stylesheet but could increase them. So one ebook showed margins that went from 0 to 14mm from the edge of screen as the margin slider was moved while the second went from 13mm to 27mm margins (and yes, that made for a rather narrow column of text).

Sample paragraph style from one ebook my wife is reading:

p {
text-indent : 0.4in;
margin-left : 3%;
margin-right : 4%;
text-align : justify;
margin-top : 5pt;
margin-bottom : 5pt;
font-family : "Bookman Old Style";
font-size : 18px;
}

In this example, the text-indent and font-size are in absolute terms while the margins are percentages of the display. Not a recommended mixture. The top and bottom margins are set in points which are generally used with printed materials, not webpages or ebooks.

p {
text-indent : 4%;
line-height: 1.1;
margin-left : 0;
margin-right : 0;
margin-top : 0;
margin-bottom : 0.2em;
font-size : 1em;
}

Above is what I edited the style to look like. The text-indent is now a relative term, margins are set to 0 except for the bottom margin to give a bit of gap between paragraphs and the font size is relative. She can now use her Touch's sliders though for the most part she set them once and now just leaves them alone. The line-height setting gives a tighter line spacing than the Kobo's minimum slider setting which both of us prefer.

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I just played with an Aura at my local Chapters (Near Sherway mall, in Toronto). The screen is suburb and page turns are very fast. I'm not crazy about the plastic Chassis. The salesperson that I spoke to said that I could come in with a microSD to try out PDFs if I'd like, I'll hopefully get a chance to this week. I am very tempted to preorder, I love the screen quality and size.
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The salesperson that I spoke to said that I could come in with a microSD to try out PDFs if I'd like, I'll hopefully get a chance to this week.
I actually did just that this afternoon (tried out PDF's). It handles a photo heavy 30MB magazine pretty well in terms of page turn etc. I was a little disappointed that the extra screen real estate didn't make as big of difference as I thought it might. No fault of the device, just a limitation of the overall size. I think with a little bit of margin trimming on the PDF's it would work reasonably well for my purposes. Overall seemed like it was quick and worked well. Will likely go ahead with my pre-ordered one and see what it's like. Hard to get an idea of the balance and feel with the security cords attached. I do miss the quilted back .
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I like what they have done with the home screen but I am surprised that it wasn't rolled out across the Kobo range with the 2.5 update.
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I'm hoping we will see it on at least the Glo as well. As they are advertising the Aura HD as a limited edition, they might be using the interface to make it a bit more special. Then later releasing to the rest of us.
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I'm hoping we will see it on at least the Glo as well. As they are advertising the Aura HD as a limited edition, they might be using the interface to make it a bit more special. Then later releasing to the rest of us.
In that case, the Glo and Mini wouldn't share the same firmware anymore, right? Because, I don't think the new home screen could be a right fit on the Mini's scarce screen real estate
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