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Old 04-11-2013, 07:10 PM   #31
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I know a lot of people with tablets, but I don't know anyone with a tablet who doesn't have a regular computer. I think that tablets are replacing the second computer that people used to have (the same role that the netbook used to fill), but not replacing the first computer.
And the second computer that most people have is the old, worn out one that still runs Windows 98.
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Old 04-11-2013, 08:45 PM   #32
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What Can I say.... Windows 8 is good ...have it on two computers but I use Stardock's Start 8 to make my computer more like Win 7. However, the start up and shutdown is much faster on my machines than windows 7. http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/

Tablets: Now making my Nexus 7 and Nexus 10 my main work tablets. I bike 15 to 30km a day between workplaces and the tablet beats the small notebook I had for formfactor and weight. Yes I have a bluetooth keyboard that works fine with both Nexus computers and my droid phone. 85 percent of my work can be done by tablet and I only need my notebooks when I print something out in the morning before my workdays. Me thinks the tablet is not quite there but the DAY is approaching every week.
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Old 04-11-2013, 09:49 PM   #33
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What Can I say.... Windows 8 is good ...
Agreed.

In my observation, it's not just the fast boot.

I just timed launch of notoriously slow Libre Writer on my decidedly low-end* home-built PC. Eight seconds from launch, andl I can type in the work processor window. And "Load Libre Office at system startup" is unchecked. And, if reloading after having closed Libre many minutes ago, without having rebooted, it loads in less than a second.

Maybe someone will say this has little to do with Windows 8. But I never had nearly so fast and stable a PC as this before. And after daily use for 5+ months, it hasn't slowed.

As for the user interface changes, to me, they are trivial. I put in a Start Menu by right-clicking on the desktop toolbar, as explained in many web articles, but don't use it much. Learning curve? A little, but it's outweighed by the ease of secure-by-default. Avast? Ad-Aware? No more of that stuff unless you like a complicated life.

Microsoft took a risk in making booting first into tile world the default and, as explained in the OP, they are paying a price. I'm not saying the tiles and touch-friendly features do me any good -- rather, they don't majorly annoy. YMMV.

Nobody knows if touch-friendliness, and their software store, will pay off for Microsoft in the long run. Not my problem.


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Old 04-11-2013, 11:54 PM   #34
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If I traveled more, I can see that a tablet would be easier to carry than even my small netbook (and you don't have to take tablets out of the case and run them through TSA separately, like you do even small computers).
We just returned from a 2-week vacation in the US with our 2 tablets and they were great; reading and games on the planes both ways, checking e-mails from the family at the resort, airports, and other hotspots along the way, reading a stack of books, and even tracking our hikes with the built-in GPS and fitness app (Endomondo) etc. Very light and convenient. Much better than the clunky laptop which we would have had to take in the old days.

Yes, we still have the now-aging laptops at home which I can't see replacing anytime soon (they both got new batteries recently) We keep them around for inputting tasks, like this note, and Income Tax - which reminds me! ...
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Old 04-12-2013, 12:22 AM   #35
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What Can I say.... Windows 8 is good ...
Windows 8 does have issues, but it isn't the lemon that people make it out to be. As far as I can tell: it's fast, it's stable, and it has a bunch of nice features. People who hate the Start Screen can either obtain a third-party Start Menu or they can learn to treat the Start Screen as a Start Menu that arranges things spatially rather than hierarchically. Similarly, very few people are going to care about the restrictions placed on 3rd party "Metro" applications. None of this should hurt PC sales, especially when you factor in the continued availability of Windows 7. (That being said, it probably isn't providing people with a compelling reason to upgrade their PC.)
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Old 04-12-2013, 01:32 AM   #36
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Hmm... What counts as a PC for these surveys?

I haven't bought a whole PC, all at one time, for many years (over a decade). I have
bought the parts for a great many PCs in that time, on a piece by piece bases.

The components end up migrating through three or four PCs that remain active all the
time. Right now my two main computers have 8 core CPUs and this one has 32GB of
RAM.

But, I haven't purchased a PC in over a decade.

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Old 04-12-2013, 02:05 AM   #37
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I do heavy word processing and formatting, so even a tablet with a keyboard won't do for me - the tablet keyboards I've seen are too small to be very usable for a touch typist.

If I traveled more, I can see that a tablet would be easier to carry than even my small netbook (and you don't have to take tablets out of the case and run them through TSA separately, like you do even small computers).

I talked to one person at the airport who had an iPad and had all sorts of business and presentation apps on hers - I guess you have to use some sort of adapter to hook it up to a computer projector though, since iPads don't have usb ports.

-Becca, who currently has 5 USB thumb drives on her desk, that she uses for various backups.
There are people who are always "showing off" that they are on the edge of the envelope and are willing to seemingly make clumsy tools work, for it is a prestige thing, but when no one is looking they might be cheating with a mouse and a real keyboard.

The only way to really tell is with a timed test and a big sample of people, OR you can trust your own experiences and those of people that do heavy work with computers every day.
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Old 04-12-2013, 02:11 AM   #38
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Windows 8 does have issues, but it isn't the lemon that people make it out to be. As far as I can tell: it's fast, it's stable, and it has a bunch of nice features. People who hate the Start Screen can either obtain a third-party Start Menu or they can learn to treat the Start Screen as a Start Menu that arranges things spatially rather than hierarchically. Similarly, very few people are going to care about the restrictions placed on 3rd party "Metro" applications. None of this should hurt PC sales, especially when you factor in the continued availability of Windows 7. (That being said, it probably isn't providing people with a compelling reason to upgrade their PC.)
I disagree. My main beef with Windows 8 is that they force a tablet UI on our desktops. I have a large monitor and I certainly can handle more than one open window at a time, something windows 8 apps do not support. As far as I am concerned, this iteration of windows is an abomination.
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Old 04-12-2013, 04:40 AM   #39
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Old 04-12-2013, 08:08 AM   #40
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I disagree. My main beef with Windows 8 is that they force a tablet UI on our desktops. I have a large monitor and I certainly can handle more than one open window at a time, something windows 8 apps do not support. As far as I am concerned, this iteration of windows is an abomination.
There is an easy fix for that: don't run Windows 8 UI software.

Existing Windows applications run the same way it always has, without the loss of features or a new UI paradigm being forced upon you. Developers are also free to develop conventional desktop software for Windows 8, so you can expect to see new software that runs in your desired UI.
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There are people who are always "showing off" that they are on the edge of the envelope and are willing to seemingly make clumsy tools work, for it is a prestige thing, but when no one is looking they might be cheating with a mouse and a real keyboard.
There is an official keyboard, trackpad, battery extension module available for my tablet but I never need to use it.

Granted, that may have something to do with tablet applications being virtually useless. I can't even find a decent text editor, never mind a decent word processor. Even the supposed strong points of tablets, like software used for Internet connectivity (web browsers, email clients, and the like), are unbelievably weak. Anything with a specialist bent is virtually non-existent.

Thankfully I bought my tablet as an ereader for PDFs. It is usually adequate for displaying static pages of text.
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Windows 8 doesn't let you have multiple windows open? that's a non-starter for me. I currently have 4 windows open on 2 monitors: Windows Eplorer, a Word document, a Notepad ++ document, and my Firefox browser. I sometimes have more, sometimes less, but rarely only one.
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For the past number of upgrades with Windows software, the OS that follows a successful OS always has trouble with the masses. I am sure that this has been brought up before, so it is nothing new. I'll give you examples of what I am talking about. Windows 98 Millennium, Windows Vista, and now Windows 8. These three OS followed very successful iterations of the Windows OS and had a hard time with the public. The next version of the software has tended to be more successful whether, in reality, it was any better remains to be seen.

Like a previous poster said, a lot of PC users today just upgrade the parts of their present PCs and go from there. If one needs a new video card, just get one. Especially since the CPUs have not had a real great amount of changes as they once did.
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True, but consumer software, including games, has still been slow in taking advantage of multiple cores. Paired with a decent GPU, even a dual-core (granted, hyperthreaded) Ivy Bridge cpu can handle just about any game on the market. Pro multimedia work is another matter, of course.
That likely has more to do with the current console cycle than technological stagnation of any kind. The PS3 and 360 have had a long run, and big-budget games are still designed with that in mind. I feel like we're probably going to see a big jump soon after the next console generation starts.

As it is right now, processing power keeps going up, chips are becoming more efficient faster and the price is dropping precipitously; all of those things will hopefully make for some more interesting computer tech once the software catches up.
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