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Old 03-28-2013, 03:01 AM   #46
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--- since Firefox started turning into a CPU hog.
I have noticed that too.
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Old 03-28-2013, 10:14 AM   #47
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Just to explain, Microsoft's automatic updates are automatic. But ...

As a result of a pretty dramatic malware attack a few years ago I "hardened" my Windows computer. In addition to the usual anti-virus, anti-malware, firewall systems I have several other security programs, including Secunia PSI, which warns me of outdated or insecure versions of software. There have been a few times that Secunia picked up a Microsoft product that didn't have the latest patch. Presumably I would have eventually gotten an automatic update -- but I updated manually rather than wait. For those manual updates I manually called up IE.
I had this major crash of IE 7 and had to have this Microsoft "level 2" tech do a remote assistance thing to fix it--and it took weeks! (and $100) But anyway, addressing what she said, she said it wasn't good to combine security programs. She said Microsoft Essentials was plenty. But then--interestingly--when she ran a scan she used Malware Bytes (but then she un-installed it when she was done and told me I should do the same thing.) Personally I would have Malware Bytes and probably a few other things on there, but so far I have been following her advice. Any thoughts?
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Old 03-28-2013, 05:18 PM   #49
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I had this major crash of IE 7 and had to have this Microsoft "level 2" tech do a remote assistance thing to fix it--and it took weeks! (and $100) But anyway, addressing what she said, she said it wasn't good to combine security programs. She said Microsoft Essentials was plenty. But then--interestingly--when she ran a scan she used Malware Bytes (but then she un-installed it when she was done and told me I should do the same thing.) Personally I would have Malware Bytes and probably a few other things on there, but so far I have been following her advice. Any thoughts?
It's generally a bad idea to mix multiple anti-virus programs - they tend to identify each other as malware, because AV programs have to hook in to the operating system at a very deep level, in some of the same ways that malware does.

I don't believe MB actually counts as an AV program in that sense, though. It seems to be more of a supplement to AV, and seems to get along with most AV OK. Milegage varies, of course.
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Old 03-28-2013, 07:44 PM   #50
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Never run more than one Anti-virus program. Mine is Avast. MBAM and Avast get along just fine. I was using this combination long before Microsoft came out with their Essentials and saw no reason to change -- although I've never heard anything bad about it.
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I like Chrome, but it doesn't support a minimum font size which is important to me. I installed a plugin to do that, but there was a couple seconds lag between the page loading and it reformatting, which was the deal breaker. Otherwise, it's a pretty decent browser.
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Old 03-28-2013, 08:00 PM   #52
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since Firefox started turning into a CPU hog
I'm running Firefox 19.x and it's not a CPU hog. It could be a plugin you've installed doing it.
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Old 03-28-2013, 08:57 PM   #53
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I like Chrome, but it doesn't support a minimum font size which is important to me. I installed a plugin to do that, but there was a couple seconds lag between the page loading and it reformatting, which was the deal breaker. Otherwise, it's a pretty decent browser.
You sure about that? Go to chrome://settings/ and then expand the show advanced settings section; look for Web Content; select the Customize Fonts button, and then the Minimum font size slider.
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Old 03-28-2013, 11:04 PM   #54
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It's generally a bad idea to mix multiple anti-virus programs - they tend to identify each other as malware, because AV programs have to hook in to the operating system at a very deep level, in some of the same ways that malware does.

I don't believe MB actually counts as an AV program in that sense, though. It seems to be more of a supplement to AV, and seems to get along with most AV OK. Milegage varies, of course.
Yeah, I don't want to overcomplicate things. Thanks for the explanation.
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Old 03-28-2013, 11:06 PM   #55
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Never run more than one Anti-virus program. Mine is Avast. MBAM and Avast get along just fine. I was using this combination long before Microsoft came out with their Essentials and saw no reason to change -- although I've never heard anything bad about it.
thanks cromag. I think a key thing for me is, like you said, 'seeing no reason to change.' There's a part of me that always wants to change everything. I need to chill. Thanks.
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Old 03-29-2013, 12:21 AM   #56
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I just had to finally jump in. Mostly I lurk, but I know whereof I speak on this (semi-retired business software support).

1. It's perfectly okay on an XP computer to change the default browser from IE to Chrome; it has absolutely no effect on Windows updates. My desktop computer is still running XP (as are my clients' work computers), and my default browser has been Firefox for some years now. What controls your updates are your settings via the Control Panel as to whether you wish to approve them before they're installed. For heaven's sake, change the default browser so you don't have to respond to that message box; nothing else is changed, and it's easily undone down the road if you wish. If you choose to do a manual Windows update, then IE will launch, so no problems there, either.

2. I run, as I've advised my clients to do, one memory-resident anti-malware program (which is not MS Essentials) and two more that are not memory-resident; they are on-call for weekly manual scans. Memory-resident means it is loaded into memory when you boot up and continues to run in the background as you work, and it generally shows up as an icon in the system tray (right side of the Windows taskbar).

The two additional AV programs are Spybot Search & Destroy (de-selecting TeaTimer when installing, which is the memory-resident part) and Malwarebytes free version, which is not memory-resident. This sort of setup has caused no problems whatsoever, and I've avoided malware infection, as there is no one program that can catch every bit of malware out there. I also use Secunia to check for important software updates -- again that is set up to run manually when I ask it to.

3. One forum where you can get just this sort of expert computer input and advice is Windows Secrets at http://windowssecrets.com/forums. There are many others out there; this is just the one I use most. That ol' Google search (or IX Quick, which doesn't track you) is also helpful for computer questions like this, leading to other equally excellent websites. (I hope I'm not breaking any rules by this suggestion -- I have no financial interest in that site and am only a user.)

Hope this helps. Good luck.
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Old 03-29-2013, 05:31 AM   #57
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I have been using Firefox now for many years. However I am finding it is getting increasingly "heavy". This is particularly so in memory usage.

But, I am still not finding enough reasons to make the swap to another browser, even Chrome, which I do have installed.

Firefox with adblock is still a damn fine combination.
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Old 03-29-2013, 09:20 AM   #58
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In the real world I am a professional network administrator and as a part of the job I have encountered a lot of what is been talked about here, each web browser has its good points and its bad points as I have found on the job:

Firefox: Yeah this one to slow down as it consumes clock cycles the newer PCs tend to be a lot better about running Firefox;

IE: This one is generally avoided because its not stable and has a nasty habit of crashing PCs

Safari: Generally avoided as its widely acknowledged as the slowest web browser of them all

Chrome: Our choice for web browsers
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thanks cromag. I think a key thing for me is, like you said, 'seeing no reason to change.' There's a part of me that always wants to change everything. I need to chill. Thanks.
So... You need to change your desire to change. But...if you don't change... A mind-boggling conundrum.

As previously mentioned, MBAM seems to play nicely with antivirus. The free version doesn't seem to run anything in the background or add anything to start-up. I can't see any reason to uninstall it.
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As previously mentioned, MBAM seems to play nicely with antivirus. The free version doesn't seem to run anything in the background or add anything to start-up. I can't see any reason to uninstall it.
To take it even one-step further: I've had the non-free version of MBAM (memory-resident, realtime scanning) running in conjunction with Avast antivirus for several years (on multiple machines) without a single hitch.

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