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Old 03-22-2013, 07:45 PM   #46
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Even assuming that Amazon would make that choice, how does it make what I said false?
The major publishers do require DRM. Retailers must provide it to sell those eBooks.
Because you implied that the only reason they provide DRM is because publishers require it.
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IIRC aren't all Amazon published books (ie put out by Amazon Publishing) DRM'd? That would seem to show they care when it comes to what they themselves are putting out.
They don't say one way or another. Neither do Tor books.
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They don't say one way or another. Neither do Tor books.
??? All Tor books I've seen mention being DRM free in the book's description.
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??? All Tor books I've seen mention being DRM free in the book's description.
But not in the product details. If Tor is DRM free as it says in the description, then it should say so in the details. Inconsistency confuses people.
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But not in the product details. If Tor is DRM free as it says in the description, then it should say so in the details. Inconsistency confuses people.
So all books with DRM say that they have DRM in the product details?
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But not in the product details. If Tor is DRM free as it says in the description, then it should say so in the details. Inconsistency confuses people.
I agree it'd be nice if they'd tell you in the product details. They really don't for any book other than the "Simultaneous Device Usage: Unlimited" thing, but that's been inconsistent in the past. Of course the great majority of buyers don't know what DRM even is I don't think. I don't think B&N has any kind of indicator either. Kobo does, not sure about Google or Sony.


I just checked half a dozen of the Amazon published books that I have and they're all DRM'd. Not conclusive that all are of course.

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Isn't it odd, if the authors and publishers are the ones requiring DRM, that they allow
the sellers to dictate the DRM scam to be applied? If it's "all right you can have DRM
but it will have to be our proprietary DRM" or you can't sell your books here, why do
the sellers take on that added expense/effort? Wouldn't it be in the authors and
publishers interest to adopt a DRM that would be common to all?

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Old 03-22-2013, 09:49 PM   #53
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Wouldn't it be in the authors and
publishers interest to adopt a DRM that would be common to all?
Possibly, but I don't know if, say Amazon, charges the publisher for the DRM or not. They own it so they don't have to pay Adobe's $0.22 per book (plus the costs of running Content Server) fee/tax, but then again I don't know if any of the places using Adobe's DRM pass that fee on to the publisher or not or just look at it as a cost of doing business.



Maybe the publishers should have setup something similar to what they have for a lot of digital movies now (UltraViolet). With UV there is a record kept through the UV site of what movies you own and then you can view them with the Apps/DRM of various retailers Vudu, B&N, BestBuy, etc. The only problem there is that not all retailers participate (Amazon [although they're rumored to be coming on board], Google and Apple being the big ones) although if they'd done it early enough they might have been able to make it mandatory.

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Old 03-22-2013, 09:54 PM   #54
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Some authors don't really know or think much about it.
(not the degree of sensitivity like our crowd here) e.g.
Holly Lisle admitted that she was astonished how important the topic was for her readers.
The depth of grokking the matter as deep as e.g. Stross has proven on his blog might still be an exception.
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Old 03-23-2013, 03:07 AM   #55
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Yes. Following quote is taken from this post

"It is still too early to tell the outcome."

So, really, no.
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Yes. Tor.
"It is still too early to tell the outcome"

Not really.

Baen is closer, but has never been all that big a player in the industry, so it's hard to translate their experience in to the bigger market.

(Mind you, I believe that getting rid of DRM will increase sales, and profits, both, as it has with music. But the proof isn't there yet.)

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"It is still too early to tell the outcome"

Not really.
You forgot to include "but initial results suggest there was no increase in piracy."
It's not proof, but it is evidence, which is what you asked for. I admit it's not conclusive evidence, but it's the only evidence I've seen one way or the other. These discussions usually revolve around gut feelings rather than evidence.
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I don't think they are dying more like they are evolving 20 years from now content makers and publishers wont be selling you content but only renting and giving you access to their content. As any and all devices start getting connected to the web thats the future you are looking at.
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Isn't it odd, if the authors and publishers are the ones requiring DRM, that they allow the sellers to dictate the DRM scam to be applied?
No.
They are saying "you must use a lock".
They don't care what make the lock is, as long as it is broadly as secure as the other locks on the market.
Do you genuinely not believe that major publishers require DRM on their eBooks?
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Do you genuinely not believe that major publishers require DRM on their eBooks?
Tor is an imprint of Macmillan, which is a "major publisher" by any reasonable definition of the term. They have decided to do away with DRM.
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