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Old 03-12-2013, 09:08 PM   #76
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I'll nominate

-21st Century
-Foreign (Books originally written in a language other than English)
-Normally Priced (Books that aren't generally free or very cheap)

The last one is meant as a category where for one month free or almost-free books aren't allowed so the winner won't be decided by cost. I am open to suggestions for its title because "Normally Priced" was the best I could come up with ("Not Free"? "Books Worth Something"? etc.).
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Old 03-12-2013, 11:02 PM   #77
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I'll nominate

-21st Century
-Foreign (Books originally written in a language other than English)
-Normally Priced (Books that aren't generally free or very cheap)

The last one is meant as a category where for one month free or almost-free books aren't allowed so the winner won't be decided by cost. I am open to suggestions for its title because "Normally Priced" was the best I could come up with ("Not Free"? "Books Worth Something"? etc.).
Paid For is a good name for the category and I'll 2nd it.
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Paid For is a good name for the category and I'll 2nd it.
I'll add that to his "Normally Priced" nomination.
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Old 03-12-2013, 11:15 PM   #79
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The last one is meant as a category where for one month free or almost-free books aren't allowed so the winner won't be decided by cost. I am open to suggestions for its title because "Normally Priced" was the best I could come up with ("Not Free"? "Books Worth Something"? etc.).
So will it be decided on library availability instead?

It's all pretty murky really. You can still pay a reasonable recommended retail price for books that are in the public domain.

Maybe call it something catchy but have a description. Eg. RRP (no public domain/creative commons, RRP Threshold > $5.00)

I'm guessing the price itself is not an issue, rather that you feel the lean towards free and cheap actually blocks out a large percentage of works which could be equally worthwhile to read and discuss.

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Old 03-12-2013, 11:38 PM   #80
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I'm guessing the price itself is not an issue, rather that you feel the lean towards free and cheap actually blocks out a large percentage of works which could be equally worthwhile to read and discuss.
I have to agree with this. We've had too many good books not voted for because of cheap/free eBooks and we've ended up with a read that was not as good. for example, October's Horror has been a month that's been spoiled in the past by free/cheap eBooks instead of ones that are actually good.
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Old 03-13-2013, 10:01 AM   #81
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Well, I've got one nomination left.

I'll second 21st Century.
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Old 03-13-2013, 10:18 AM   #82
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I've used up my votes, but I'm sort of in support of a "non-free" category. I doubt it would actually be choosen though, but I have been disappointed many months when I have seen books being choosen mainly because they are free. But really, who am I to tell people what to do and how to think and how to vote?! I'm humble enough to realize my opinions are only that: Opinions, not The Truth!
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Old 03-13-2013, 10:25 AM   #83
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I've used up my votes, but I'm sort of in support of a "non-free" category. I doubt it would actually be choosen though, but I have been disappointed many months when I have seen books being choosen mainly because they are free. But really, who am I to tell people what to do and how to think and how to vote?! I'm humble enough to realize my opinions are only that: Opinions, not The Truth!
I too have been disappointed when books have been chosen based on being free instead of being the best for the month.
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Old 03-13-2013, 10:26 AM   #84
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I'll 3rd 21st Century.
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Old 03-13-2013, 01:02 PM   #85
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Paid For is a good name for the category and I'll 2nd it.
That's a good option for the name too.

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...Maybe call it something catchy but have a description. Eg. RRP (no public domain/creative commons, RRP Threshold > $5.00)...
RRP is another good one. I was thinking something like generally above a certain price point too ($5.00, like you) but with different countries participating here I just went with adding in "generally not very cheap". But if all of you think it's better, we could add in that the book should generally be above a certain price point. Though they're not exactly equal, I think it could work to say it should be above $5/£5/€5, and that could cover the U.K., U.S., Canada, Australia and Euro countries. The dollar(/peso) sign is also used in other countries with different conversion rates, but we could just specify that we mean U.S./Canada/Australia dollars. Even if there's any confusion, $5 in the other countries I've seen would be cheaper and not more expensive so not a problem really, though there could be exceptions.

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So will it be decided on library availability instead?

It's all pretty murky really. You can still pay a reasonable recommended retail price for books that are in the public domain...
I don't really see it as murky. You could say a free category could be murky too since you could decide to pay for a better edition of a classic.

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Well, firstly, I thought of it as sort of the opposite of a MR Library category since all those are free. That's sort of like a free free-for-all category, so this is a paid free-for-all category.

But yes, I also don't think it's a bad idea to exclude free at least one month a year so that hopefully price won't be a deciding factor for voters at least once a year.

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I've used up my votes, but I'm sort of in support of a "non-free" category. I doubt it would actually be choosen though, but I have been disappointed many months when I have seen books being choosen mainly because they are free. But really, who am I to tell people what to do and how to think and how to vote?! I'm humble enough to realize my opinions are only that: Opinions, not The Truth!
Well, that's true, people are free to vote how they want and I've never complained about a book being chosen because it's the cheaper option. But on the same token, people are free to vote how they want, so if a non-free category is voted in, then that's what the people want. I don't see anything wrong with having one month a year where the idea is not to have "costs a normal amount" be a big detriment to a book's chances.
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Sometimes we do not always get the best choice because someone gets a free/cheap eBook in the vote and it gets chosen not because it's the best book in the list, but because it's the cheapest book in the list.

Take a look at the eBook we had for last October. Dreadful book that was not scarey at all. But it was chosen because it was free. Price is definitely a factor and when that happens, how good a book is goes right out the window.
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Take a look at the eBook we had for last October. Dreadful book that was not scarey at all. But it was chosen because it was free. Price is definitely a factor and when that happens, how good a book is goes right out the window.
You keep using this book as an example, but, when I went back to the discussion thread, over half the people in there said they enjoyed the book. The fact that you really didn't like it doesn't make it a dreadful selection. Overall people thought it was a good selection.
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It seems that books JSWolf hates are good selections, I wonder if we could craft a category around that?
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I don't really see it as murky. You could say a free category could be murky too since you could decide to pay for a better edition of a classic.
Actually, I think it was covered pretty well in the description:

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I think it's pretty sensible to assume that public domain/creative commons works are excluded, while at the same time, if you managed to scoop up a temporary bargain on something usually priced higher you could nominate that. Seems like pretty good wording to me.
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You keep using this book as an example, but, when I went back to the discussion thread, over half the people in there said they enjoyed the book.
I'm one of them.

I think Jon uses the criteria Horror = Scary as he keeps mentioning this over and over. Personally, I don't think that's the only way to classify Horror.

Having said that - I wouldn't mind going non-public domain for Horror. Rosemary's Baby came up in nominations in 2011 and that would probably be a great Horror book to read with the group. Another great group read would be The Exorcist or even a classic King novel like Salem's Lot. If we ever get another Horror category I'll probably nominate and vote for books like this.
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