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Old 02-19-2008, 04:58 PM   #16
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See here for a discussion on em dashes.

http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14781
Thanks, Jon. I know what an emdash is - that's not the point. It would have been nice if someone had offered to clean up Madam Broshkina's files to correct problems if they existed. I would hope people would feel free to do that with any imperfect conversion (all of mine, for example!). You are well aware of the work involved in doing conversions and to do 539 of them is a tremendous amount of thankless toil. To such a person I would hope people would want to thank and offer help, not ask that person to please do more.
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It would have been nice if someone had offered to clean up Madam Broshkina's files to correct problems if they existed.
Unfortunately, that's more easily said than done. Without the cleaned up source files from which the versions are generated, correcting the books would require re-doing them entirely from the original sources. The formats that are posted here are still mostly terminal formats, in the sense that they can't be converted to something else.

In this case, I think that Madam Broshkina mentioned that she's since lost her cleaned up files due to a system failure, so they're not even available to her. I don't blame her for not wanting to re-do the lot from scratch simply to fix emdashes. I'm particular about emdashes myself, and I wouldn't do such a re-work under those circumstances.
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Unfortunately, that's more easily said than done. Without the cleaned up source files from which the versions are generated, correcting the books would require re-doing them entirely from the original sources. The formats that are posted here are still mostly terminal formats, in the sense that they can't be converted to something else.

In this case, I think that Madam Broshkina mentioned that she's since lost her cleaned up files due to a system failure, so they're not even available to her. I don't blame her for not wanting to re-do the lot from scratch simply to fix emdashes. I'm particular about emdashes myself, and I wouldn't do such a re-work under those circumstances.
To write a program that takes a MobiPocket file and replace " - " with emdash seems to be rather easy.

But I have since I discovered this forum found it strange that books are uploaded only in a "terminal" format. I would have thought that the source was as important for later converting books to other format or to fix problems. And here we have an example of a disk crash tht affects a lot of books to connect this back to an argument if you should upload books in the secret MobiPocket compression scheme.
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Old 02-19-2008, 07:35 PM   #20
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To write a program that takes a MobiPocket file and replace " - " with emdash seems to be rather easy.

But I have since I discovered this forum found it strange that books are uploaded only in a "terminal" format. I would have thought that the source was as important for later converting books to other format or to fix problems. And here we have an example of a disk crash tht affects a lot of books to connect this back to an argument if you should upload books in the secret MobiPocket compression scheme.
We now have a perl program (script) that can reverse a MobiPocket file back into HTML with an OPF file so it is easy to get back. I guess it was a good thing that Madam Broshkina uploaded the files so she can get them back after the crash of her system. I have downloaded some of her books myself. I would like to thank her for her past effort.

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Old 02-19-2008, 07:49 PM   #21
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But I have since I discovered this forum found it strange that books are uploaded only in a "terminal" format. I would have thought that the source was as important for later converting books to other format or to fix problems. And here we have an example of a disk crash tht affects a lot of books to connect this back to an argument if you should upload books in the secret MobiPocket compression scheme.
This point has actually been raised before.
http://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...4257#post84257
I don't know if Harry still holds that opinion or if others agree with him but for some reason very few books were ever posted in HTML or TXT.
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Old 02-19-2008, 07:58 PM   #22
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This point has actually been raised before.
http://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...4257#post84257
I don't know if Harry still holds that opinion or if others agree with him but for some reason very few books were ever posted in HTML or TXT.
So there is from some people a policy of making books posted here less useful. Strange.

This touch on what status the postings has here. I am really missing a statement from each poster about what status the book has. I want it explicitly said that it is has no use licence or that it is not in the public domain if that is the case since i think many people post here and assume that it is implied that people can do whatever they want with the book since it is based on public domain sources.
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Old 02-19-2008, 08:13 PM   #23
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Unfortunately, that's more easily said than done. Without the cleaned up source files from which the versions are generated, correcting the books would require re-doing them entirely from the original sources. The formats that are posted here are still mostly terminal formats, in the sense that they can't be converted to something else.

In this case, I think that Madam Broshkina mentioned that she's since lost her cleaned up files due to a system failure, so they're not even available to her. I don't blame her for not wanting to re-do the lot from scratch simply to fix emdashes. I'm particular about emdashes myself, and I wouldn't do such a re-work under those circumstances.
I was not aware of that. So if I load BD with a PRC file, I can't fix it (for emdashes or whatever) by referencing the PG file? I was actually planning to do a bit of that myself on a few books I wanted to make minor improvements to.
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Old 02-19-2008, 08:22 PM   #24
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sounds like more e-book snobbery. sorry to hear about your decision, but thank you for all your contributions! they will be missed
How is it snobbery to want to help someone make the conversions as good as possible for the best possible reading experience?

Once I was given the info on Book Cleaner, I did pass it on to others and they've been making better eBooks since. That's how the thread with the BC files started so I'd have a place to post them so Patricia could get them.
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Sorry to hear you are quitting the uploads. I find someone complaining about em dashes pathetic. I mean If you were to read "The Great Gatsby" would you say it is a bad book because of incorrect use of em dashes.

People being anal retentive about free books is amazing. One should enjoy the book for what it is. not minor punctuation/format problems.
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I have received a comment about the books that I have created for this site (lack of Em Dashes). That person hesitantly asked me to recreate all the books that I have already made (over 500). Due to a computer crash I have lost many of these books and the fact that I could not get the tools suggested to fix the problem to work correctly I have decided to retire from the book creation business. Many thanks for those of you have passed on karma for the books that I have created.

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quibbling over the length of dashes ... sounds like snobbery to me
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I have received a comment about the books that I have created for this site (lack of Em Dashes). That person hesitantly asked me to recreate all the books that I have already made (over 500).
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From what I see it was just a suggestion, not a "complaint", "quibbling" or "bullying".
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We now have a perl program (script) that can reverse a MobiPocket file back into HTML with an OPF file so it is easy to get back. I guess it was a good thing that Madam Broshkina uploaded the files so she can get them back after the crash of her system. I have downloaded some of her books myself. I would like to thank her for her past effort.

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Yes, we can convert the Mobipocket into HTML, but that means that someone has to manually go through every dash. It would (in some cases) be easier to reload the original source once Book Cleaner is setup to handle em dashes.

I do applicate her efforts. And I hope she does keep converting.
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One other reason to want the widespread adoption of the epub format. If someone wants to correct dashes and such, just unzip the epub and edit the XHTML source. Couldn't be easier.

Thinking that the use of proprietary ebook formats like Mobi will keep someone else from doing something that you don't like with an ebook is just as useless as adding DRM. Honest people will respect the author's/publisher's rights and dishonest people will steal, regardless of format or DRM use.

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To write a program that takes a MobiPocket file and replace " - " with emdash seems to be rather easy.

But I have since I discovered this forum found it strange that books are uploaded only in a "terminal" format. I would have thought that the source was as important for later converting books to other format or to fix problems. And here we have an example of a disk crash tht affects a lot of books to connect this back to an argument if you should upload books in the secret MobiPocket compression scheme.
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Madam... As much as I can, since I don't know you in real life. I want to say I love you in a purely literary sense (without a trace of stalking or weirdness... I am married and happy and love my wife and so on...)

I too format books for this site and understand your frustration at a word of criticism but its possible that, in the weakness of this medium, a forum instead of a real conversation with real relationships, (Wouldn't it be great if we could all get together and talk and see each others expressions and body language and smiles) you may have misunderstood waht was meant to be a respectful request for a criticism.

That said. I know sometimes I do my books in a hurry and have made mistakes with em dashes and so on. I have a family and a job and like to read and do a hundred other things and am not getting paid anyhow for my books I contribute here so if someone doesnt like my book uploads... They are totally welcome to make their own. (Which I've noticed quite a few people have done, re-doing a book I've already formatted.)

To this I take no offense at all. PD books mean anyone can edit or remove stuff or change stuff or whatever, (All things I don't do when I make a book for this site.)
I format books first and foremost for myself and if someone else likes em great! If not. I'll still do it.

Anyhow I guess my point is, I appreciate your uploads and have quite a few on my computer waiting their turn to be read. I don't give a rats you know what if there are emdashes or little green men hanging about in the text! I'm into the story and only the story.

With all respect.

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