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Old 02-20-2013, 08:47 PM   #1
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? about using keywords in Sigil's metadata

I'm pretty much done with a novel in Sigil. But what about the keyword stuff in the metadata (I'm using 0.6.2). I've got the basics in there: date, description, subject, publisher, title, rights. But isn't the idea that search engines are perusing that metadata? I've heard search engines will overlook metadata that is way overdone, but shouldn't I be adding more than I have, and if I should, where should I be adding it? Thanks.
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I'm pretty much done with a novel in Sigil. But what about the keyword stuff in the metadata (I'm using 0.6.2). I've got the basics in there: date, description, subject, publisher, title, rights. But isn't the idea that search engines are perusing that metadata? I've heard search engines will overlook metadata that is way overdone, but shouldn't I be adding more than I have, and if I should, where should I be adding it? Thanks.
The metadata inside the ePub has nothing to do with search engines. It's the metadata in the web page that matters.
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You can create multiple subject entries (tags) if you want. But as the Wolf says, it doesn't really have anything to do internet search engines. Most ebook stores don't even have the ability to allow you to search an ePub's subject tags.

Just know that most people who have large ebook libraries are often very picky about the tags they use in calibre and such. So if you include subject metadata, you'd probably be wise to keep it to very few and to keep them very general. The people that know about those subject tags are going to change them to their liking anyway. The people that don't know about them will never see them. *shrugs*
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There are *some* readers...well ok only one that I know of - Marvin - that allows a search on the Metadata within an epub. You can sort on series name and index at present, and I think Kris is planning on expanding that functionality.
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There are *some* readers...well ok only one that I know of - Marvin - that allows a search on the Metadata within an epub. You can sort on series name and index at present, and I think Kris is planning on expanding that functionality.
Actually, I think series name and index aren't standard epub metadata, but are inserted by calibre for library indexing purposes.

AFAIK, none of the distributors we use are able to pull metadata out of the ebook. We have to submit an excel file or ONIX file containing essentially the same information along with the book. That said, we still include a fairly complete set of metadata (e.g. author, contributors, subjects, source, description, etc.) in addition to the required fields. So it's there if anyone wants to look.

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Oh yeah....it's amazing how true to life he can be!!

You are correct, Series and Series_Index are calibre metadata. But they can be added by anyone. I'm not sure exactly how Kris got the Marvin App to be able to sort with the metadata, but it's pretty awesome. It seems like any app/reader should be able to scan the opf for metadata...they do it all the time for other functions... I guess they just don't feel the need.
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The metadata inside the ePub has nothing to do with search engines. It's the metadata in the web page that matters.
Thanks JS.
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You can create multiple subject entries (tags) if you want. But as the Wolf says, it doesn't really have anything to do internet search engines. Most ebook stores don't even have the ability to allow you to search an ePub's subject tags.

Just know that most people who have large ebook libraries are often very picky about the tags they use in calibre and such. So if you include subject metadata, you'd probably be wise to keep it to very few and to keep them very general. The people that know about those subject tags are going to change them to their liking anyway. The people that don't know about them will never see them. *shrugs*
Thanks Dealer, It's kind of like (rhetorical) why are they there then? lol
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There are *some* readers...well ok only one that I know of - Marvin - that allows a search on the Metadata within an epub. You can sort on series name and index at present, and I think Kris is planning on expanding that functionality.
Thanks Turtle, You're starting to go over my head but that's okay. (lol) (It isn't hard to do!)
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