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Old 02-14-2013, 02:17 AM   #1
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B&N expects Nook losses to increase in 2013

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...91D04120130214

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Barnes & Noble said it expects an earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization (EBITDA) loss at the Nook business to exceed the $262 million loss recorded in fiscal 2012.

Nook revenue this year is expected to be less than $3 billion, the company said in a statement.
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:34 AM   #2
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Hmm, no comments after 100+ reads?
No sense rehashing the same old same olds...
Well, here's somebody with a couple *new* and interesting ideas:
http://mikecanex.wordpress.com/2013/...to-go-nuclear/

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2) Make publishers pay for the DRM. I understand that standard Adobe DRM has an onerous per-download cost. But why should you pay for that? Do you really care after you’ve sold a book? I don’t think so. Only publishers do. So make them pay for the DRM. How are they going to really say no? What other national chain of bookstores can they flog their printed slabs in? Do you think they’ll run to Amazon for help? It’s time for you to take a stand on this. DRM is insisted on by publishers, so make them pay for it.
The others make sense, too.
There's still room for new tactics out there.

And yes, they *should* fire everything.
(And everybody at the top. )
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:59 AM   #3
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Hmm, no comments after 100+ reads?
B&N seem pretty bad at what they do (certainly from reading the Fictionwise thread).
B&N are competing with Amazon, who are very very good at what they do.
B&N are losing.
Not sure what else to say?
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:17 AM   #4
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They should take a tip from George Costanza, and do the opposite. Barnes and Noble should instead of doing what they do, do what Amazon does. Do stuff that works instead of stuff that doesn't. I use a Kindle, but the more competition there is, the more it keeps Amazon honest.
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:28 AM   #5
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Bah... I'm so far past caring whether B&N survives or not.
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Old 02-14-2013, 12:23 PM   #6
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Yeah, I bought the original Nook and Nook Color because they were good products with limited competition at the time. The Color though has proven to be way too limited as a tablet, I don't like their flavor of Android, and they never really kept it up to date. It was worth what I paid for it, no more. When I shopped for my next tablet I never even checked out the new Nooks, just didn't have any interest in them.
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Old 02-14-2013, 01:54 PM   #7
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Yeah, I bought the original Nook and Nook Color because they were good products with limited competition at the time. The Color though has proven to be way too limited as a tablet, I don't like their flavor of Android, and they never really kept it up to date. It was worth what I paid for it, no more. When I shopped for my next tablet I never even checked out the new Nooks, just didn't have any interest in them.
The original Nook Color was great after rooting and tossing CM on it.

Stock out of the box, though, was pretty lackluster.
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Old 02-14-2013, 02:13 PM   #8
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"Stock out of the box, though, was pretty lackluster."
Also I personally HATED that UGLY Lanyard /hook thing on the corner of the bezel.
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Also I personally HATED that UGLY Lanyard /hook thing on the corner of the bezel.
At first I thought, "Oh, that's kinda...uh...cool."

Then a few seconds later, I wanted to fill it in with playdoh and spray it with rhinolining.
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The original Nook Color was great after rooting and tossing CM on it.

Stock out of the box, though, was pretty lackluster.
Even then, you have to give it to B&N for having the vision to come out with an inexpensive tablet at the time they did. They caught Amazon with their pants down and it was a long time before Amazon could respond with the Fire. Shame they failed to keep the momentum.
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The original Nook Color was great after rooting and tossing CM on it.

Stock out of the box, though, was pretty lackluster.
True, but that was relative to what else was available at the time at that price, which wasn't much. There's a lot of great hardware out there today and most of it comes with a much better ecosystem. The Nook is a niche device. It's not bad, I just think the market is limited. It was a good try, they had to do something. Amazing, really, when you consider they had no experience in selling anything other than books, much less manufacturing in the highly competitive world of electronics.
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Old 02-14-2013, 03:09 PM   #12
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Even then, you have to give it to B&N for having the vision to come out with an inexpensive tablet at the time they did. They caught Amazon with their pants down and it was a long time before Amazon could respond with the Fire. Shame they failed to keep the momentum.
Yup.
Took'em a whole year to respond.
And two weeks of sales to surpass that one year lead.
Jeff Bezos *has* to be dealing with Cthulhu or one of the other Elder Gods.
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I'm quite happy with my Nook HD+. For the money, I think it's a better product than any out there (that's why I bought it of course).

But their marketing absolutely stinks! I get emails occasionally from Amazon with all kinds of great deals like 99 cent apps or books or videos and I've bought several that I use on my rooted Nook.

B&N on the other hand, sends me emails EVERYDAY advertising the latest $14.99 ebook or wanting to sell me some toys. I often get emails of coupons from them as well that say "**NOOK devices and NOOK books excluded". Well, that excludes me altogether.

The problem's not with the Nooks, it's with their eco-system that they're apparently unwilling to change.
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I'm quite happy with my Nook HD+. For the money, I think it's a better product than any out there (that's why I bought it of course).

But their marketing absolutely stinks! I get emails occasionally from Amazon with all kinds of great deals like 99 cent apps or books or videos and I've bought several that I use on my rooted Nook.

B&N on the other hand, sends me emails EVERYDAY advertising the latest $14.99 ebook or wanting to sell me some toys. I often get emails of coupons from them as well that say "**NOOK devices and NOOK books excluded". Well, that excludes me altogether.

The problem's not with the Nooks, it's with their eco-system that they're apparently unwilling to change.
I have the Nook HD+ and could not agree with you more.
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I'm quite happy with my Nook HD+. For the money, I think it's a better product than any out there (that's why I bought it of course).

But their marketing absolutely stinks! I get emails occasionally from Amazon with all kinds of great deals like 99 cent apps or books or videos and I've bought several that I use on my rooted Nook.

B&N on the other hand, sends me emails EVERYDAY advertising the latest $14.99 ebook or wanting to sell me some toys. I often get emails of coupons from them as well that say "**NOOK devices and NOOK books excluded". Well, that excludes me altogether.

The problem's not with the Nooks, it's with their eco-system that they're apparently unwilling to change.
Yep, that's actually something that is incredibly annoying. I agonized over buying Amazon paperwhite vs the Nook GloTouch. I ended up with the Paperwhite because it was just technologically better.

I don't get all kinds of spammed emails, and the shopping via amazon is just so much easier than barnes and noble. Also the website is so much faster.

It just seems that B&N gets on the cutting edge of something, and then when others come out with comparable products, they just can't keep up.
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