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Old 04-12-2014, 10:22 AM   #796
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Herausforderungen

Das Erstellen von E-Büchern konfrontiert den engagierten Buchmacher machnchmal mit besonderen Problemstellungen.

Wenn dann ein Author auf die Idee kommt, in seinem Gedicht die Hälfte aller Strophen auf den Kopf zu stellen, dann kommt das ungefähr so rüber wie in der Abbildung abgebildet.

Der pragmatische Ansatz ist, die umgedrehten Passagen einfach als Grafik einzubinden, was im Ergebnis eher unbefiriedigend ist.

Nachdem ich eindlich ein Font-Editor gefunden habe, den ich bedienen kann und der auch unter Win 7 läuft, hab ich mal was anderes probiert: Einfach die Schrift auf den Kopf gestellt.

Jeder Schriftsatzprofi würde mir dafür wahrscheinlich die Versalien mit ensprechendem Kerning einzeln um die Ohren hauen, aber ich finde das Ergebnis ist weitaus befriedigender wie eine Wiedergabe der gestürtzen Strophen als Grafik.

Gestestet hab ich das bisher mit: ei-Books, Blue-Fire, PB 623, Tolino, ADE.

Über Meinungen und weitere Tests würde ich mich freuen...
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Old 04-12-2014, 11:13 AM   #797
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Sieht gut aus. Und endlich hab’ ich mal ’nen Anlass, meinen Monitor auf den Kopf zu drehen.
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Sieht gut aus. Und endlich hab’ ich mal ’nen Anlass, meinen Monitor auf den Kopf zu drehen.
Ich hoffe, der hat keine automartische Ausrichtungskontrolle wie das ei-Pad...
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Old 04-12-2014, 11:46 AM   #799
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καὶ τὰ τέσσερα ζῷα, “ἓν καθ᾽ ἓν” αὐτῶν ἔχων “ἀνὰ πτέρυγας ἕξ, κυκλόθεν” καὶ ἔσωθεν “γέμουσιν ὀφθαλμῶν:” καὶ ἀνάπαυσιν οὐκ ἔχουσιν ἡμέρας καὶ νυκτὸς λέγοντες ‘“Ἅγιος ἅγιος ἅγιος Κύριος, ὁ θεός, ὁ παντοκράτωρ,” ὁ ἦν καὶ “ὁ ὤν” καὶ ὁ ἐρχόμενος.’

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Der pragmatische Ansatz ist, die umgedrehten Passagen einfach als Grafik einzubinden, was im Ergebnis eher unbefriedigend ist.
Hast Du mal probiert, mit Inkscape eine SVG-Grafikdatei zu erstellen? Du kannst damit auch Textboxen in 90-Grad-Schritten rotieren, und wenn Du die Datei als "Plain SVG" speicherst, dürften auch ADE und ePubCheck damit keine Probleme haben. Du kannst sogar eine dekorative Schriftart verwenden, wenn Du vor dem Speichern den Text mit Inkscape in Kurven umwandelst (F1, Path > Object to path). Die Ganzseitengrafik kannst Du dann ganz normal mit Sigil wie ein Cover einfügen.

Falls sich ePub3-Reader endlich durchsetzen, brauchst Du die zu drehenden Zeilen nur in ein <div> mit einem entsprechenden Style einzuschließen und die Rendering Engine macht den Rest.

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Das funktioniert im Moment aber nur mit Webkit-basierten Programmen (Kindle, iBooks, Sigil, Calibre usw.).

Deine Musterdatei funktionierte übrigens problemlos auf meinem alten Kindle 3.
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Old 04-12-2014, 01:15 PM   #801
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Nur eine Fußnote......
Und das bedeutet ????
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Old 04-12-2014, 01:29 PM   #802
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Hast Du mal probiert, mit Inkscape eine SVG-Grafikdatei zu erstellen? Du kannst damit auch Textboxen in 90-Grad-Schritten rotieren, und wenn Du die Datei als "Plain SVG" speicherst, dürften auch ADE und ePubCheck damit keine Probleme haben. Du kannst sogar eine dekorative Schriftart verwenden, wenn Du vor dem Speichern den Text mit Inkscape in Kurven umwandelst (F1, Path > Object to path). Die Ganzseitengrafik kannst Du dann ganz normal mit Sigil wie ein Cover einfügen.

Falls sich ePub3-Reader endlich durchsetzen, brauchst Du die zu drehenden Zeilen nur in ein <div> mit einem entsprechenden Style einzuschließen und die Rendering Engine macht den Rest.

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Das funktioniert im Moment aber nur mit Webkit-basierten Programmen (Kindle, iBooks, Sigil, Calibre usw.).

Deine Musterdatei funktionierte übrigens problemlos auf meinem alten Kindle 3.
Das ist ja prima, das das sogar mit dem Kindle geht. Danke für den Test! (Dann kann ich das Buch jetzt ja bei Amazon verkaufen ...)

Zu meinen Motiven, das mit einer eingebettenten Font zu lösen:
  • EPub 3 steht derzeit nicht zur Debatte
  • Irgendwelchen proprietären Add-Ons auf den EPub 2.1 Standard folgen, mag ich überhaupt nicht.
  • Mit SVG hab ich experimentiert und es ist mir auch gelungen die Zeile auf den Kopf zu stellen. Leider folgt die Schriftgröße hierbei nicht den Einstellungen des Anwenders für den restlichen Text (zumindest bei mir ...)
  • Und dann solls natürlich ein schlankes CSS mit einer möglichst hohen Kompatibilitätswahrscheinlichkeit werden.
Somit ist mir eigentlich nur noch die Lösung mit der Font eingefallen.
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Und das bedeutet ????
Ein Zitat als ein Geschenk für alle Seraphim!
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Warum eigentlich nicht gleich so, lieber Spinni?

那四個活物,各個都有六個翅膀,遍體內外都布滿了眼睛。他們日夜不停地說:「聖哉!聖哉!聖哉!主、神、全 能者,昔在、今在、將要來臨的那一位!」


(Auf deutsch geht das übrigens auch:
Und ein jegliches der vier Tiere hatte sechs Flügel, und sie waren außenherum und inwendig voll Augen und hatten keine Ruhe Tag und Nacht und sprachen: Heilig, heilig, heilig ist Gott der HERR, der Allmächtige, der da war und der da ist und der da kommt!)
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Danke für die chinesische Übersetzung! Sie sieht sehr gut aus!

Schade habe ich das Althebräisch noch nicht gelernt, sonst kann ich auch die einschlägigen Stellen im alten Testament über Malakhim im Original zitieren.
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Danke für die chinesische Übersetzung! Sie sieht sehr gut aus!
Das kommt daher, dass ich besser Chinesisch kann als Google Translate...
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Ich versteh’ kein Wort, kann mir das mal jemand ins Lateinische übersetzen?
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Lieber Herr Doubleshuffle, ich habe auch eine schöne Fußnote für deine hervorragende Arbeit.

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Na, das war aber jetzt ganz schön frech. Und ich musste auch noch rumgoogeln, um sicher zu sein, wie frech es ist.



Yeats hat übrigens nicht nur über Leda geschrieben (und sein Gedicht über sie gehört nicht zu meinen Favoriten...)
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Das kommt daher, dass ich besser Chinesisch kann als Google Translate...

Ich habe nachgeschaut und die Übersetzung im ersten Absatz, nämlich "CSB traditional", die du hier gepostet hast, ist relativ neu. Die habe ich nicht gelesen.
Danke für die Erweiterung meiner Sicht. CUVMP und Union sind populärer.

Auf Latein für Archangelus

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