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Old 04-08-2013, 01:50 PM   #421
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Vielen Dank, ich schau mal.

Ich muss das (für meinen Workflow) umwandeln und die Bearbeitung noch mal machen. Und hoffen, dass die Verlinkungen das überleben.

Aber 394 Fußnoten manuell zu verlinken, dürfte schlimmer sein ;-)
Ich hab auch mal geguckt. Wenn das Zielformat odf ist (und nicht epub), dann scheints am sinnvollsten zu sein, die Datei nach html zu exportierten, die Links auf die Fussnoten mit einem Texteditor solange zu beschiessen, bis sie passen und das ganze mit OO/LO wieder zu laden. Müsste eigentlich gehen....
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Old 04-08-2013, 02:21 PM   #422
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So.

Ein ganz herzlicher Dank an Pynch und Bruce! Alleine hätte ich das nicht hinbekommen - oder nur mit fieser Fronarbeit.

Mal sehen, ob ich noch mehr von Weber angehe. Wirtschaft und Gesellschaft wäre natürlich noch wünschenswert. Falls das jemand aus Digibib als HTML bzw. Epub extrahieren würde, soll mich das nicht (mehr) schrecken.
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Wenn das Zielformat odf ist (und nicht epub)
Das Open-Office-Format ist einfach am angenehmsten zum Import in ein neues Jutoh-Projekt. Aber es hat nach ein paar Versuchen auch gut mit dem vereinigten HTML-File funktioniert, den ich aus dem Epub gemacht habe.
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Old 04-09-2013, 02:04 AM   #424
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Das Heilige hat noch mehr Fußnoten. Mama Mia!
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Old 04-09-2013, 07:05 AM   #425
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Ne Fußwaschung? Bei Spinni wohl bevorzugt mit kaltem Wasser...
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Old 04-09-2013, 07:35 AM   #426
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Danke Archangelus, es bleiben noch 10 Seiten übrig dann ist es fertig. Die Fußnoten sind ein ganz kleines Problem im Vergleich mit den zahlreichen Altsprachen und sonderbaren Zeichen und Buchstaben darinnen. Wenn es zumindest nach meiner Meinung akzeptabel ist, dann nehme ich einen Kontakt mit euch. (Lieber Seraph und Malakh mit kalten Füßen auch.)
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Einer der Gründe, warum ich nie Papst geworden bin: Ich wollte niemandem die Füße waschen müssen. Füße sind häßlich.
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Old 04-09-2013, 11:28 AM   #428
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Füsse sind nicht hässlich, wenngleich es hier und dort hässliche Exemplare geben mag. Allerdings gibt es auch das Gegenteil.. Fusswäscher möchte ich allerdings auch nicht werden, so weit reicht die Liebe dann doch nicht.

Fussnoten sind bisweilen hässlich, insbesondere dann wenn sie den Zeilenabstand vergrössern und damit das gesamte Schriftbild ruinieren.

Da das Lesen von Fussnoten in grösserer Anzahl auf einem Lesegerät sehr umständlich und zeitaufwändig ist, habe ich mir eben erst angewöhnt bei der Digitalen Lektüre Fussnoten zu ignorieren. Das ist schon etwas unangenehm.
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Old 04-10-2013, 07:37 AM   #429
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Fussnoten sind bisweilen hässlich, insbesondere dann wenn sie den Zeilenabstand vergrössern und damit das gesamte Schriftbild ruinieren.

Da das Lesen von Fussnoten in grösserer Anzahl auf einem Lesegerät sehr umständlich und zeitaufwändig ist, habe ich mir eben erst angewöhnt bei der Digitalen Lektüre Fussnoten zu ignorieren. Das ist schon etwas unangenehm.
Fußnoten in Ebooks sind ein Problem, doch müssten sie es gar nicht sein. Hätten die diversen Programmierer es nicht versaut indem sie Fußnoten nicht vergessen oder als unwichtig betrachtet hätten.

Es bräuchte nur:
- In den Ebookformaten eine definierte Art der Ablage. Und wie im Text der Link darauf zu setzen ist. (Muss gar nicht neu erfunden werden. Ein Blick in Satzprogramme wie z.B. Tex hilft sicherlich.)
- Und dann müssten die Programmierer der Lesegeräte und Leseprogramme ihre Hausaufgaben machen. Nix mit per Link zur Fußnote springen, sondern unten/oben einen Bereich einblenden, wo der Text der Fußnote steht. Muss ja nicht unbedingt dauerhaft wie beim gedruckten Buch sein, sondern kann auch nur dann eingeblendet werden, wenn man den Link zur Fußnote markiert.

Aber seien wir mal ehrlich. Wundert uns das Versäumnis? Es gibt reichlich Bücher, wo keine Fußnoten verwendet werden, sondern die Anmerkungen gesammelt am Ende des Buches zu finden sind. Da jongliert man dann auch mit zwei Lesezeichen. Wenn es nur um Quellenangeben geht ist das ja OK. Aber es nervt bei interessanten Erläuterungen.

Gruß, Faltradel

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Fußnoten in Ebooks sind ein Problem, doch müssten sie es gar nicht sein. Hätten die diversen Programmierer es nicht versaut indem sie Fußnoten nicht vergessen oder als unwichtig betrachtet hätten.
Anscheinend haben die Programmierer das Problem erkannt, und die IDPF hat für ePub 3 unter dem schön abstrakten Titel "Vocabulary Association Mechanisms" ein spezielles Attribut für Popup-Fußnoten definiert. (Weitere Details stehen in diesem englischen Artikel von Liz Castro.)

Der Haken ist, dass das anscheinend bis jetzt nur von iBooks unterstützt wird.
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Na gut, wenn du wieder mal sowas hast, guck ichs mir gerne an....
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Der Haken ist, dass das anscheinend bis jetzt nur von iBooks unterstützt wird.
Witzig, ausgerechnet bei eiBooks macht mir die Verwendung "klassicher Fussnoten"*) richtig Spass, wärend bei einer Vielzahl von Eink-Readern sogar die Hyperlinks ziemlich schlampig umgesetzt sind...

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Der Haken ist, dass das anscheinend bis jetzt nur von iBooks unterstützt wird.
Also wird es ewig und 3 Tage dauern bis es sich durchsetzt. Es gibt schon zu viele Lesegeräte und Ebooks, die die Neuerungen nicht kennen. Und wer macht sich schon die Arbeit (Firmware)Updates zu erstellen und unter die Leute zu bringen? Gerade in der heutigen Zeit, wo nur noch Geld scheffeln zählt.
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