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Old 01-08-2013, 11:20 PM   #1
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Apple Phones? Getting out of date?

Apple phones are losing ground to Samsung BIG TIME. I just bought a Sammy Galaxy Note 2. Now my iPhone 5 looks like a 20 yr old piece of crap. What's your folks take on this? I always loved Apple. I think they are going the route of Mircosoft. Please bring back innovation. (Steve Jobs).

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Old 01-09-2013, 01:07 AM   #2
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Being dead, they don't have much need for a phone.
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Hey MrDoug
It isn't like Apple is loosing market or something else, sure people are loving Android phones due to different reasons like bigger screen size, multiple options to choose from, Android phones are cheaper, and more but the biggest market of Smartphones (United States) has more than 52% active iPhone users by the end of Q4 of 2012.
Apple holds their own reputation and a single product iPhone5 has changed the market of smartphones.
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In South Africa a Samsung is a quarter the price of an iPhone. In fact an iPhone not purchased on a contract costs twice what you would pay for an iPad. I am sticking with Samsung thank you very much.
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Old 01-09-2013, 03:28 AM   #5
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Apple phones are losing ground to Samsung BIG TIME. I just bought a Sammy Galaxy Note 2. Now my iPhone 5 looks like a 20 yr old piece of crap. What's your folks take on this? I always loved Apple. I think they are going the route of Mircosoft. Please bring back innovation. (Steve Jobs).
I think it's lost its shine. It hasn't really changed since the introduction in 2007, what have they brought to the table? A half-baked implementation of multi-tasking, facebook sharing (whoohoo!), a broken maps app, a copy-cat of Android's notification bar and an extra 0.5".
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Old 01-09-2013, 03:51 AM   #6
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It isn't like Apple is loosing market or something else, sure people are loving Android phones due to different reasons like bigger screen size, multiple options to choose from, Android phones are cheaper, and more but the biggest market of Smartphones (United States) has more than 52% active iPhone users by the end of Q4 of 2012.
Apple holds their own reputation and a single product iPhone5 has changed the market of smartphones.
I think the reason is that most of them never used an iphone so they just want one. Here in Singapore iphone was huge 2 years ago but samsung started getting a foothold with Galaxy S2 and Note. Now Galaxy Note II is the most coveted device around here. Costs $100-200 more with contract compared to iphone.
A year or so ago with people were giving away iphone as prizes for signing up for anything or contest whatever. Today most are giving away note 2.
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Old 01-09-2013, 04:31 AM   #7
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Apple phones are losing ground to Samsung BIG TIME. I just bought a Sammy Galaxy Note 2. Now my iPhone 5 looks like a 20 yr old piece of crap. What's your folks take on this? I always loved Apple. I think they are going the route of Mircosoft. Please bring back innovation. (Steve Jobs).
I agree completely...the iPhone lacks innovation compared to pretty much everyone else
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Old 01-09-2013, 05:34 AM   #8
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Apple phones are losing ground to Samsung BIG TIME. I just bought a Sammy Galaxy Note 2. Now my iPhone 5 looks like a 20 yr old piece of crap. What's your folks take on this? I always loved Apple. I think they are going the route of Mircosoft. Please bring back innovation. (Steve Jobs).
I have no idea what planet you were on twenty years ago, but on this planet there was nothing remotely like an iPhone. We have both the latest Samsung and Apple devices in our family - not much to pick between them. I think your bias is showing.
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Hey MrDoug
It isn't like Apple is loosing market or something else, sure people are loving Android phones due to different reasons like bigger screen size, multiple options to choose from, Android phones are cheaper, and more but the biggest market of Smartphones (United States) has more than 52% active iPhone users by the end of Q4 of 2012.
Apple holds their own reputation and a single product iPhone5 has changed the market of smartphones.

Last I heard, Android had a 72% (world-wide) market share...

"Android's overall smartphone market share has jumped to 72.4% in Q3 2012, up from 52.5% in the same period last year, Gartner's latest data shows."

http://mashable.com/2012/11/14/android-72-percent/
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Last I heard, Android had a 72% (world-wide) market share...

"Android's overall smartphone market share has jumped to 72.4% in Q3 2012, up from 52.5% in the same period last year, Gartner's latest data shows."

http://mashable.com/2012/11/14/android-72-percent/
Now what most of them are going to say is that Apple might have less market share but it has majority profit share. Which is nor true as Samsung made about around 8 billion just like apple.
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Now what most of them are going to say is that Apple might have less market share but it has majority profit share. Which is nor true as Samsung made about around 8 billion just like apple.
Not sure where you are getting your figures from?
Samsung's 2012Q3 results saw $5.3 Bn US in profits from its IT/Mobile division, comprising:
"The IT & Mobile Communications division, comprising Mobile Communications, Telecommunication Systems, IT Solutions and Digital Imaging"
They didn't break out phone profits.
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http://bgr.com/2013/01/08/samsung-q4...gs-est-285549/

The company released preliminary unaudited earnings estimates for the fourth quarter on Tuesday, and it expects to post record sales and profit when it reports Q4 2012 later this month. Samsung estimates that it earned a staggering $8.3 billion on sales of up to $53.6 billion. The company said it sold close to 500 handsets per minute in the fourth quarter, suggeting that total combined smartphone and feature phone sales may have approached 65 million units in the quarter.
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The company released preliminary unaudited earnings estimates for the fourth quarter on Tuesday, and it expects to post record sales and profit when it reports Q4 2012 later this month. Samsung estimates that it earned a staggering $8.3 billion on sales of up to $53.6 billion. The company said it sold close to 500 handsets per minute in the fourth quarter, suggeting that total combined smartphone and feature phone sales may have approached 65 million units in the quarter.
Apple's expected to report about $11 billion dollars profit in Q4 by comparison, but your point is valid. Samsung is clearly now in the same ball park.

What I found interesting about the figures is that Apple's big number is in a quarter where they launched their new, much anticipated, flagship phone and mini tablet. However, Samsung's hot devices were launched in the previous quarter to this. It does suggest that Samsung's profits are spread more across their range, so the total sales for each company over 2013 are going to make interesting reading.

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Consumer Reports and Business Insider appears to agree with those who think Apple is all of a sudden playing catch up:

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One of the reasons Apple's stock has gotten clobbered lately is that many people think Apple has lost its edge in its most important product line: smartphones.

The iPhone has been such a mind-boggling success that it drives more than half of Apple's overall profit. And for most of the past five years, Apple has had a lock on the "best smartphone in the market."

In recent years, however, competitors have caught up with the iPhone. Some reviewers think Samsung's new phone is superior to Apple's latest phone. And many people expect Samsung to leap ahead when the new Galaxy S4 comes out this spring.

Another respected product reviewer, Consumer Reports, agrees with those who think Apple has lost its edge.

In fact, Consumer Reports' conclusion is even more depressing for Apple fans.
Consumer Reports actually rates the iPhone 5 the worst of the top smartphones.
The article goes on to quote (and provide a photo of) a recent Consumer Reports test in where the iPhone 5 scored below phones from LG, Samsung, Motorola and HTC.

You can read more here: http://www.businessinsider.com/consu...phone-5-2013-1
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Apple's expected to report about $11 billion dollars profit in Q4 by comparison, but your point is valid. Samsung is clearly now in the same ball park.

What I found interesting about the figures is that Apple's big number is in a quarter where they launched their new, much anticipated, flagship phone and mini tablet. However, Samsung's hot devices were launched in the previous quarter to this. It does suggest that Samsung's profits are spread more across their range, so the total sales for each company over 2013 are going to make interesting reading.

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Yes but from what has been in reported Samsung is loosing billions in Lcd and some other businesses and it is its smartphone that are generating profits. It would be an interesting read once official figures are released
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