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Old 12-21-2012, 09:30 PM   #106
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elcreative, this works against that Z axis. It reminds people that Jobs is dead, that Apple makes obscene profits on their products, and that Apple does not feel compelled to pay its bills. Apple and Samsung duking it out benefits Amazon along the same axis. A lot of people think that Apple should not win market in the courts. This is brand tarnish.

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Old 12-22-2012, 12:15 AM   #107
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If you think of Value as a four quadrant graph with most/best features and lowest price in the upper right corner, Apple is in the upper left corner. It's easier for low cost manufacturers to add/improve features than for high margin manufacturers to lower cost. There's a Z axis to this graph. It's brand. Apple has owned the Z axis. That Z axis acts as inertia. It slows the impact of competing cost/feature improvements. Apple has used this inertia to hold off competitors with great success. The problem with inertia is that once it slips, the fall is fast. Amazon owns price and customer service. Amazon is competitive on features. Amazon has a good brand. It's not Apple, but it's good. I know a lot of iPad/iTunes users, but I don't know a lot of new iPad/iTunes users. All Kindle/Prime users are new. All those new Kindle/Prime users are likely aPhone customers. Pretty soon, Amazon is going to grab some of that z axis.
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You know what Jerry Seinfeld would ask about that WSJ report, don't you?
What's the deal with that WSJ report?
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Apple and Samsung duking it out benefits Amazon along the same axis. A lot of people think that Apple should not win market in the courts. This is brand tarnish.
This is so true. I think the patent suits have been a lose-lose proposition for the fruity company. Whatever the reality, people view them as the big successful company going after the competition through the courts because they are losing out in the market place and are afraid of competing products.

By the same token, I think it's elevated Samsung somewhat in the sense that if Apple is saying Samsung products are just like theirs, well then they must be. It's like free advertising for Samsung. And then there is the sympathy factor for a company that is sued for things that many feel shouldn't be patentable.

Personally, I've never been anti-Apple until this lawsuit business vs. Samsung. That's been the tipping point for me. I don't wish Apple to fail as a business and hope they continue for a long time making products. I just hope their strategy of suing in the courts fails and they stick to the marketplace.

So, yes, the Apple has been tarnished -- by their own actions.

One other thing is I don't understand why some take such exception to a company being criticized in a forum. To the point that they hurl personal insults at other posters. One would think we are throwing verbal bombs at their mother or family members! And I'm not talking about everyone who defends Apple here, just a very few. I'm a big fan of Amazon (though not of their readers or tablets) but I don't care a bit if one comes on here and calls them the scurviest, most despicable company on the face of the earth. I'm still going to shop there.

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Old 12-22-2012, 10:27 AM   #109
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The devil is in the details (the calling plan). There are plenty of nice smartphones out there but I haven't seen a contract that meets my requirements (equivalent to the prepaid plan I currently have). I'm hopeful that Amazon can come up with something disruptive.
Bingo! Give me a prepaid smartphone that I don't have to deal with a monthly bill, and I'll get one. Otherwise, I will keep my Samsung Gravity 1 phone that just does calls and text msgs that I keep $50.00 worth of minutes on it and renew it once a year for another $50.00 if I use the majority of the minutes or just $10.00 for another 10 minutes worth of minutes if I don't.

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Old 12-22-2012, 10:59 AM   #110
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There are a lot of things that could be done to make cell phones more attractive and Amazon is in the middle of most of them...

1) use wifi when available to reduce cell minutes, improve performance
2) no charge when using Amazon services
3) discounts for commercials/ads/offers
4) rollover minutes -- reward my good behavior!

I mostly use my phone where there are hotspots, so this would minimize my cell minutes. Allowing people to comparison shop without incurring charges seems like a win-win to me. I'm happy to promote Amazon for a discounted monthly bill. Linking all of this to Prime might just win me over from Netflix.
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Old 12-22-2012, 11:01 AM   #111
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This is so true. I think the patent suits have been a lose-lose proposition for the fruity company. Whatever the reality, people view them as the big successful company going after the competition through the courts because they are losing out in the market place and are afraid of competing products.

By the same token, I think it's elevated Samsung somewhat in the sense that if Apple is saying Samsung products are just like theirs, well then they must be. It's like free advertising for Samsung. And then there is the sympathy factor for a company that is sued for things that many feel shouldn't be patentable.

Personally, I've never been anti-Apple until this lawsuit business vs. Samsung. That's been the tipping point for me. I don't wish Apple to fail as a business and hope they continue for a long time making products. I just hope their strategy of suing in the courts fails and they stick to the marketplace.

So, yes, the Apple has been tarnished -- by their own actions.

One other thing is I don't understand why some take such exception to a company being criticized in a forum. To the point that they hurl personal insults at other posters. One would think we are throwing verbal bombs at their mother or family members! And I'm not talking about everyone who defends Apple here, just a very few. I'm a big fan of Amazon (though not of their readers or tablets) but I don't care a bit if one comes on here and calls them the scurviest, most despicable company on the face of the earth. I'm still going to shop there.

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Outstanding post! I don't get the rabid fanaticism of the Apple/everyone else on this board.

I love Amazon, but I will most likely never have one of their readers since I'm not interested in being locked into theirs, Apples, or anyone elses ecosystem. I'm also not interested in paying Apples prices.

So for me it comes down to freedom of choice and price.
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Old 12-22-2012, 12:35 PM   #112
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What's the deal with that WSJ report?
Finally. Thank you for asking.

"Who are 'these people'."


It would have been funnier right away.
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Old 12-23-2012, 03:54 AM   #113
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Finally. Thank you for asking.

"Who are 'these people'."


It would have been funnier right away.
Never understood why people like that guy, I sure don't, but I hate TV standup comedy anyway. Loved the girl.

I am waiting for the Amazon phone and I hope a GREAT AMAZON DATA PACKAGE.
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Old 12-23-2012, 04:36 AM   #114
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Outstanding post! I don't get the rabid fanaticism of the Apple/everyone else on this board.

I love Amazon, but I will most likely never have one of their readers since I'm not interested in being locked into theirs, Apples, or anyone elses ecosystem. I'm also not interested in paying Apples prices.

So for me it comes down to freedom of choice and price.
Hear, hear. Let us hope the day will come when we can discuss a new electronic product and the thread will not become another "Apple" thread.
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Hear, hear. Let us hope the day will come when we can discuss a new electronic product and the thread will not become another "Apple" thread.
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I wouldn't be surprised to see an Amazon pre-paid phone service.

Get free minutes with Amazon Prime...
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You really should look into having that sense of humor fixed.
I don't see what a sense of humour has when dealing with company/product/personal biases being continually and irrelevantly used to attack a company/product/bias... and I don't just mean attacks against Apple, I mean the endless grind of this process against Amazon, Apple, Android, Google etc...

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I don't see what a sense of humour has when dealing with company/product/personal biases being continually and irrelevantly used to attack a company/product/bias... and I don't just mean attacks against Apple, I mean the endless grind of this process against Amazon, Apple, Android, Google etc...
Yawn...
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I wouldn't be surprised to see an Amazon pre-paid phone service.

Get free minutes with Amazon Prime...
Amazon as a MVNO?

that could work

If Wal-Mart and Kroger are successful as MVNOs, why can't Amazon?
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