display adjoining html files without page break

weberr · 10-29-2012, 01:12 AM

Is there any html/css code that can be inserted manually or by Sigil that will allow me to break up a very large, but continuous html file into more than one html file (use the Sigil control-return feature) but retain the continuous text in an ereader? Have researched various tutorials but have not found such a command.

Toxaris · 10-29-2012, 03:17 AM

Nope, afak that is not possible. A new file means a new page.

theducks · 10-29-2012, 03:28 AM

And to add to Toxaris
Many devices will HANG if a segment gets too big

(Calibre chose 260K must break point for a reason

)

Toxaris · 10-29-2012, 06:22 AM

The prs-t1 can actually handle files of 600kb and higher. It is dead slow though.

mrmikel · 10-29-2012, 06:29 AM

How would a human use a very large continuous HTML file anyway? Without some sort of division, the average human is likely to lose their train of thought.

Jellby · 10-29-2012, 08:24 AM

I think there is no indication in the spec that every XHTML file should start in a new page/screen, but all readers I know behave like that.

Maybe some day some reader will show different files as a continuous flow (if indeed this is allowed by the spec), in that case one could always insert a pagebreak at the top of each file if wanted. Long texts with no divisions could be easily broken at paragraph boundaries for ease of handling. If there are no paragraphs... that's harder, and I'm afraid any device would choke eventually with such a text (note that Adobe-based readers already insert spurious pagebreaks in the middle of long paragraphs).

weberr · 11-02-2012, 01:00 AM

Thanks, but no thanks. That is not the answer I was hoping for. I wonder who creates these specs. It seems like it would be such a simple thing to do, i.e., provide a code that would instruct the reader to not impose a page-break when going to a new file. And I do not think that my need is somehow unique. For instance, I have several books where the author deliberately chose to have a single, 350+ page chapter. It's fine in a printed book, but impossible to have such a large single html file.

weberr · 11-02-2012, 01:03 AM

I understand the size problems for a single html file. That's why I, and Calibre, break up large html files into several smaller files. I just don't want the reader to generate a page-break every time it comes to a new file. Doesn't seem like too much to ask.

theducks · 11-02-2012, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by weberr

I understand the size problems for a single html file. That's why I, and Calibre, break up large html files into several smaller files. I just don't want the reader to generate a page-break every time it comes to a new file. Doesn't seem like too much to ask.

actually, it is

for the same reason you need to break files.
The old file is removed from memory and the new one loaded and displayed. This appears to be a page break.

BTW Do you PRINT on Roll Paper (fan fold has those terrible perforations

)?

DiapDealer · 11-02-2012, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by weberr

I understand the size problems for a single html file. That's why I, and Calibre, break up large html files into several smaller files. I just don't want the reader to generate a page-break every time it comes to a new file. Doesn't seem like too much to ask.

Actually I'm going to go out on a limb and say it isn't really too much to ask. This just isn't the right place to ask it, since neither Sigil, nor its developers can do a thing about it.

weberr · 11-09-2012, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Actually I'm going to go out on a limb and say it isn't really too much to ask. This just isn't the right place to ask it, since neither Sigil, nor its developers can do a thing about it.

Thanks. Appreciate your expertise. My problem is I don't know who/what is actually in charge of deciding what is in the standard. Is there someone or some group or somewhere to provide suggested enhancements or features?

Ripplinger · 11-09-2012, 02:03 PM

Page breaks occurring at odd times because of how the html is split into pages is why I always make a new page at the start of a new chapter. I really dislike the random page breaks too and even consider it bad formatting, but I never mind it for a new chapter, just like paper books are usually set up. Giving each chapter its own html page also makes it easier while I'm still editing and proofing to find something that I need to change.

theducks · 11-09-2012, 08:42 PM

Besides the reasons given by Ripplinger
Pages load/display faster. Loading a 260K page takes almost a MINUTE on my PEZ, changing the Zoom, take again a long (although once set, does not add to other pages loaded)

Jellby · 11-10-2012, 03:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by weberr

Thanks. Appreciate your expertise. My problem is I don't know who/what is actually in charge of deciding what is in the standard. Is there someone or some group or somewhere to provide suggested enhancements or features?

The ePub standard is developed by the International Digital Publishing Forum, and XHTML is done by the World Wide Web Consortium. You'd probably find more information in their pages about contact, suggestions, etc.

As I said, I'm not sure the ePub standard says anything about how the different files should be displayed (regarding pagebreaks). But if a feature is added to allow displaying two consecutive files without a pagebreak, I bet it will be the first feature to be ignored by reading applications (after page headers/footers)

10-29-2012, 01:12 AM	#1
weberr New old guy Posts: 14 Karma: 10 Join Date: Feb 2012 Device: kindle fire	display adjoining html files without page break Is there any html/css code that can be inserted manually or by Sigil that will allow me to break up a very large, but continuous html file into more than one html file (use the Sigil control-return feature) but retain the continuous text in an ereader? Have researched various tutorials but have not found such a command.

10-29-2012, 03:17 AM	#2
Toxaris Wizard Posts: 2,105 Karma: 927511 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Heemskerk, NL Device: PRS-300, PRS-T1	Nope, afak that is not possible. A new file means a new page. __________________ Creator and maintainer of the e-Book Tools Word add-in. Creator and maintainer of the Clean HTML macro for MS Word.

10-29-2012, 03:28 AM	#3
theducks Staff to 4 Cats Posts: 10,712 Karma: 2485850 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The (original) Silicon Valley, USA Device: Galaxy Tab 2,Black Astak PEz, K4NT(now Wifes)	And to add to Toxaris Many devices will HANG if a segment gets too big (Calibre chose 260K must break point for a reason ) __________________ Using: Ubuntu(32 bit):Oneric,Precise and XPpro SP3, W7HP(64)- - Libre Office w/Writer2EPUB

10-29-2012, 06:22 AM	#4
Toxaris Wizard Posts: 2,105 Karma: 927511 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Heemskerk, NL Device: PRS-300, PRS-T1	The prs-t1 can actually handle files of 600kb and higher. It is dead slow though. __________________ Creator and maintainer of the e-Book Tools Word add-in. Creator and maintainer of the Clean HTML macro for MS Word.

11-09-2012, 08:42 PM	#13
theducks Staff to 4 Cats Posts: 10,712 Karma: 2485850 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The (original) Silicon Valley, USA Device: Galaxy Tab 2,Black Astak PEz, K4NT(now Wifes)	Besides the reasons given by Ripplinger Pages load/display faster. Loading a 260K page takes almost a MINUTE on my PEZ, changing the Zoom, take again a long (although once set, does not add to other pages loaded) __________________ Using: Ubuntu(32 bit):Oneric,Precise and XPpro SP3, W7HP(64)- - Libre Office w/Writer2EPUB Last edited by theducks; 11-10-2012 at 04:54 AM. Reason: spelling

10-29-2012, 06:29 AM	#5
mrmikel Book Twiddler Posts: 964 Karma: 1087515 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Central Oregon Coast Device: PRS-300	How would a human use a very large continuous HTML file anyway? Without some sort of division, the average human is likely to lose their train of thought.

10-29-2012, 08:24 AM	#6
Jellby frumious Bandersnatch Posts: 5,141 Karma: 2474345 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spaniard in Sweden Device: Cybook Orizon	I think there is no indication in the spec that every XHTML file should start in a new page/screen, but all readers I know behave like that. Maybe some day some reader will show different files as a continuous flow (if indeed this is allowed by the spec), in that case one could always insert a pagebreak at the top of each file if wanted. Long texts with no divisions could be easily broken at paragraph boundaries for ease of handling. If there are no paragraphs... that's harder, and I'm afraid any device would choke eventually with such a text (note that Adobe-based readers already insert spurious pagebreaks in the middle of long paragraphs).

11-02-2012, 01:00 AM	#7
weberr New old guy Posts: 14 Karma: 10 Join Date: Feb 2012 Device: kindle fire	Thanks, but no thanks. That is not the answer I was hoping for. I wonder who creates these specs. It seems like it would be such a simple thing to do, i.e., provide a code that would instruct the reader to not impose a page-break when going to a new file. And I do not think that my need is somehow unique. For instance, I have several books where the author deliberately chose to have a single, 350+ page chapter. It's fine in a printed book, but impossible to have such a large single html file.

11-02-2012, 01:03 AM	#8
weberr New old guy Posts: 14 Karma: 10 Join Date: Feb 2012 Device: kindle fire	I understand the size problems for a single html file. That's why I, and Calibre, break up large html files into several smaller files. I just don't want the reader to generate a page-break every time it comes to a new file. Doesn't seem like too much to ask.

11-09-2012, 02:03 PM	#12
Ripplinger 350 Hoarder Posts: 1,537 Karma: 1931571 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Midwest USA Device: Sony PRS-350: 4 Silver, 2 Blue!; Kobo Glo	Page breaks occurring at odd times because of how the html is split into pages is why I always make a new page at the start of a new chapter. I really dislike the random page breaks too and even consider it bad formatting, but I never mind it for a new chapter, just like paper books are usually set up. Giving each chapter its own html page also makes it easier while I'm still editing and proofing to find something that I need to change.

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