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Old 11-02-2012, 08:53 AM   #31
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Which firm is this?
Booxtream

It's a dutch firm.
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Old 11-02-2012, 09:01 AM   #32
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Booxtream

It's a dutch firm.

I just looked at their site...they are not big in saying much about the product

I guess I'll email them and see what's up.

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They have a forum (abandoned?):

http://my.dnldrm.com/portal/forum/default.asp

You find hands-on feedback there. It doesn't look good though. Users complain about clunky software and lack of sales.

A curiosity:

http://ebook.biz/ belongs to them. Referred to as "the world's premier eBook store," they offer it for sale. It makes you wonder how serious they are about the whole eBooks business.

Another curiosity:

Until recently (2011) they also owned the domain ebook.com. Initially, back in 2002, the domain forwarded to the landing page of their "DeskTop Author" software (that's how old it is - at one point it was on sale @ CompUSA).

Today Tesco is the owner of ebook.com. You can imagine they must have made quite a few bucks with this domain sale.

They look more like domain auctioneers than anything.
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There are no competitors, nobody will ever challenge this product, and the group of people that will buy it is very limited. Like I said, these authors are targeting maybe 200 - 500 potential customers tops.
In which case, distributing the book to thousands of people on the torrent networks is irrelevant to its profits, because those readers won't be the actual market for the book.

Does the author really believe that those 200-500 people, out of the whole country (world?) are so well in-touch with each other that they'll be exchanging ebooks? Novels spread like fire because they can be recommended to anyone; specialized technical books are not handed around to spouses and cousins and "that guy with the green shirt I met at the Halloween party" because they have no interest. If those people*do* have a passing interest, but would never have bought the book in the first place, what harm does "piracy" do to the author?

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So according to you, which are these "effective" DRMs?
DRMs that require an internet connection for use of the book are much harder to break. DRMs that require a specific device and aren't usable on a general computer are much harder to break--the ibookstore's DRM wasn't cracked until the ibooks program could be installed on a PC. (And then it was a matter of days.)

Social DRM, as mentioned, doesn't prevent filesharing at all, but *does* encourage customers to buy their own copy. And with highly specialized books for a technical market, price is likely less of a concern than convenience.

Make them easy to use, and reward the customer for good treatment of ebooks (rather than attempting to punish in advance for potential bad treatment), and you'll make more sales. PUBLICIZE that you're treating customers well, and people who don't give a damn about your topics will sometimes buy one of the books, just to see if you live up to the hype.

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Nobody makes a profit by "stopping pirates" except for the sharks who sell DRM. Authors make a profit by *selling books*, for which "stopping piracy" is an incidental goal at best. Figure out how to reach your maximum market; don't fret over how much of not-your-market also winds up with reading material.

If you sold a print book to a doctor, and she hands it around to her whole staff to read, you make one sale. Ebooks can increase that to multiple sales--if they're convenient, and people don't believe the price is gouging them.
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I've been going through a lot of threads about DRM, and many have really taken their time to say that they would rather risk their books being distributed illegally, than not be known at all. For all that are on that boat, you might be right given that genres you are coming from.

But there is another boat...

The boat of writers that do not write novels, short stories, cooking books, etc. but instead HIGHLY specialized books, very specific software implementations, tax code reviews, medical procedures, legal topics, construction, etc. These books are not meant for every Bob and Mary, they are meant for a very specific audience, and their success will never be measured in the thousands, but in the hundreds.

These writers do not benefit in ANY way from this "benevolent piracy" that is so warmly spoken of in some of the threads in this forum. Every pirated copy is truly a dagger on their side. For these writers, DRM is a must: NO QUESTIONS ASKED.

So having said that, I've been doing some research for writers in this situation and I came across this:

http://www.dnldrm.com/

It seems that this one really works, and it is not possible to go around it.

1) Has anybody had any experience with them?

2) If one MUST use DRM, which one would you recommend?

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There is NO DRM that cannot be subverted. If you can read it on a screen, you can copy it. Some quite legitimate companies offer an OCR system that will transcribe anything that can be displayed.
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Old 11-02-2012, 03:06 PM   #37
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Anything that impedes piracy in any form is in net sum a good thing.

Yes, the methods do have warts and thorns, but they do help authors.
If it does not lead to an increase in sales then it is a waste of time, effort, and money.

Simply removing a pirated ebook from a pirate site does not guarantee that the people who would have downloaded it will instead go buy it. Paying for a service which goes around and gets that ebook taken down is a waste of money.
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DRM does nothing to stop piracy, the folks who crack DRM schemes love the challenge of cracking new DRMs and do so simply because they either hate DRM or love breaking restraints.

What DRM DOES do is to turn off customers who would otherwise be interested in your product. If you have a device which is not compatible with the DRM scheme being used or are worried about the company that supports the DRM going out of business then you will not buy the DRMed books for fear of those books being unusable in the future. I have worked in the medical field and in education for years and use some pretty narrowly marketed reference books, books focused on a very small and select customer base and these books are mostly all DRM free BECAUSE there is such a small market. If your target audience is a few hundred sports medicince docs then the chances of those books being pirated is MUCH smaller than a book on the best sellers lists.

DRM is not the answer to pirating, it does not stop pirating at all. DRM is like a cheap lock, it will not stop someone who really wants to pirate the book because there are so many ways around every DRM. This has been shown to be the case over and over again, DRM is not difficult to circumvent and it doesn't endear you to new customers who just want to be able to use their books on any device that they have or may ever have.

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Old 11-03-2012, 03:23 AM   #39
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There are no guarantees except one, and that one is that if you give up trying to stop piracy because it is hard, you will then have more.

Don't worry about those that arm themselves with every hacking tool known, and then invent some more and who will shield themselves behind fake name and IPs and subterfuge. These are few and far between.

What needs to be done is to make sure piracy isn't something the ordinary reader will endeavor to do. It should be made impossible for them, or very difficult, or not easy, or not nice. Any effort at any level has to help the author. Don't give up because you get bad mouthed.

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There are no guarantees except one, and that one is that if you give up trying to stop piracy because it is hard, you will then have more.
Among the things not guaranteed is that "piracy" costs authors more money than the attempted prevention measures.

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What needs to be done is to make sure piracy isn't something the ordinary reader will endeavor to do.
To do this, make purchases easy, convenient, and reasonably priced. Most people aren't scam artists or thieves--but they often feel justified in evading policies designed to make their lives difficult.

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It should be made impossible for them,
Not gonna happen. As long as there is both written content and access to keyboards, people will be able to create unauthorized copies.

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or very difficult, or not easy, or not nice. Any effort at any level has to help the author. Don't give up because you get bad mouthed.
Any reasonable effort to stop unauthorized file-sharing will stop some. (Some efforts won't, but I'll grant that most types of DRM will prevent some sharing.) That does not translate to "will help the author."

Authors are not helped by preventing piracy; they are helped by increasing sales. Measures to prevent piracy only help authors if those efforts cause sales. Measures to prevent piracy *harm* authors, if the pirates are not potential sales, and the author wasted time and money on DRM applications and take-down notices that they could've spent doing promotions or writing the next marketable work.

Anti-piracy measures can be part of a plan to increase sales... but authors need to be aware that their income isn't based on how many pirates they stop. Authors need to find their market and convince them to buy; preventing them from copying doesn't automatically do that.
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I'll say one more thing and then give up, because this is like talking to a brick wall. DRM does not prevent piracy. DRM only makes it difficult for honest people to use their LEGALLY PURCHASED content.

Let's say you buy a book from company x which has DRM. This book works with your current device so you think nothing of it. A year later you buy a new device and load up your books, but the book you purchased from company x uses DRM that is not compatible with the new device...so you go to the company x web site, but they have gone out of business. Company x also used a DRM scheme that was proprietary, which means NO devices are compatible with it anymore, well there go all of the books you purchased from company x. This seems far fetched, but guess what? It has happened to me twice. Businesses shut down, DRM schemes change (remember Sony's old format?), and people buy new devices. DRM turns honest people towards those sectors of the net that specialize in breaking DRM. The vast majority of people who strip DRM do so to make their books usable, not to pirate. It hinders honest people and doesn't slow pirates down AT ALL.
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There are no guarantees except one, and that one is that if you give up trying to stop piracy because it is hard, you will then have more.
This is is the slippery slope fallacy, and not a great way to start your argument. Where's your evidence that releasing something DRM free results in more piracy of that item, aside from what your gut is telling you? And even if there's an uptick in piracy of that item, where's your evidence that there was a reduction in sale? As already said by others, if there's no reduction in sales the DRM is still a waste of time even if it reduces piracy.

The fact that DRM-free indie book bundles and game bundles still garner sales, even where they allow buyer's to set their own price (I'm looking at you Humble Indie Bundle), suggests that people will buy even where piracy is an easy option.

Further, the restrictive DRM suggested by the thread creator seems like it would drive people to try and find a pirate version that doesn't carry with it the annoying restrictions of the legitimate version. If you're this worried, I would suggest releasing only paper versions of the books, and assigning a security guard to each to ensure that your customers (all potential thieves anyway) don't try and take a picture or photocopy anything.
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Many are addressing the warts and thorns. Fair enough.

I think that there should be an official repository some place that has the eBooks that people bought and a way to transfer these books when the original device has failed. Reader companies are trying to do this in a way that the authors and publishers can agree to, but I see people pointing out the failures of such systems.

Still I am for DRM with hope that a better one will come along that will satisfy most if not all of the concerns.

Just realize that no system is perfect, and the eReaders are still a very young technology.
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I'll say one more thing and then give up, because this is like talking to a brick wall. DRM does not prevent piracy. DRM only makes it difficult for honest people to use their LEGALLY PURCHASED content.

Let's say you buy a book from company x which has DRM. This book works with your current device so you think nothing of it. A year later you buy a new device and load up your books, but the book you purchased from company x uses DRM that is not compatible with the new device...so you go to the company x web site, but they have gone out of business. Company x also used a DRM scheme that was proprietary, which means NO devices are compatible with it anymore, well there go all of the books you purchased from company x. This seems far fetched, but guess what? It has happened to me twice. Businesses shut down, DRM schemes change (remember Sony's old format?), and people buy new devices. DRM turns honest people towards those sectors of the net that specialize in breaking DRM. The vast majority of people who strip DRM do so to make their books usable, not to pirate. It hinders honest people and doesn't slow pirates down AT ALL.
I am not a pirate, in my career position I couldn't risk it even if I was tempted, BUT I do strip DRM from all material that I purchase. I have several eReaders and I want to decide which one I use, not have the decision made for me. If I can do it, anyone can - except maybe those people who are complete technophobes. Effectively then, DRM only succeeds in ticking off those who are the least likely to be pirates.
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Now come on.
Brick wall have feelings too.
If you smash a steel bar against my bricks and mortar, do I not shed dust? Might I not crack?

I think someone is saying that I am not helped by DRM.
Well, can I be the judge of that?
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