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Old 10-27-2012, 08:00 PM   #301
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Um, resolution, when combined with physical screen size, is what determines the PPI (Pixels Per Inch). 7.9" at 1024x768 is 162.03 PPI (guess the .9" part is just rounded up and it's really 7.853" if the PPI is actually 163).
PPI is hardware it has nothing to do with software at all. Resolution is software.
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It is possible that people in this thread simply confuse a rhetorics of innovation/revolution with innovation per se... The former is Apple's domain and when the stretch between promising and delivering gets too wide, as in the iPad Mini's case, people will notice... And the more people notice, the less power any rhetorics has...
and like fjtorres noted: in the end, people will start to find actual use cases for their devices, and these will be much less "refined" than most tech avantgardists would imagine...
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C'mon! I've been half-jokingly accusing people of not knowing the definitions of common words in this thread, but surely since you posted the definition yourself, you can see that 'innovative' in NO way implies it's better or ahead of the competition. Just new. You can have a clever, innovative product that sucks and fails miserably.

IOW, innovative doesn't have to be ahead of the competition, it can be off to the side of them. It can sometimes be so far off to the side that it runs off the road and crashes in a ditch. That's part of the risk of innovating.

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Are you not being overly strict in your usage here? Surely, in the context of technology, it is pretty universally inferred that "innovation" means both better and "ahead of the competition." When you additionally include the context of this specific discussion and its related issues, then I think that association between innovation and "better" can be made even stronger. After all, if the "innovation" didn't clearly make a product better, then there would be little reason to charge more for it.

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PPI is hardware it has nothing to do with software at all. Resolution is software.
Display resolution in the type of displays we're talking about here is hardware. When you say "resolution is software" are you not talking about image resolution?

At any rate, I think we all know what the intent here is when people are discussing simply "resolution" or actual pixel dimensions in terms of these devices (the new Mini and its main competition), even if they don't mention the actual ppi.

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Are you not being overly strict in your usage here? Surely, in the context of technology, it is pretty universally inferred that "innovation" means both better and "ahead of the competition." When you additionally include the context of this specific discussion and its related issues, then I think that association between innovation and "better" can be made even stronger. After all, if the "innovation" didn't clearly make a product better, then there would be little reason to charge more for it.

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Exactly, it may have been the right thing to do to downgrade the processor and lower the resolution so that you can stick a smaller battery in there (making the device lighter and smaller) and still get decent battery life. Low to mid-level phone makers have been doing that for ages, so in my book it is not innovation. We will find out soon enough if it was a smart move.

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Old 10-27-2012, 09:53 PM   #306
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PPI is hardware it has nothing to do with software at all. Resolution is software.
Only if you're using a resolution other than what is native for your screen, which no tablet or smartphone (to my knowledge) does. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_density has the details.

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For example, a 15 inch (38 cm) display whose dimensions work out to 12 inches (30.48 cm) wide by 9 inches (22.86 cm) high, capable of a maximum 1024×768 (or XGA) pixel resolution, can display around 85 PPI in both the horizontal and vertical directions. This figure is determined by dividing the width (or height) of the display area in pixels by the width (or height) of the display area in inches. It is possible for a display’s horizontal and vertical PPI measurements to be different (e.g., a typical 4:3 ratio CRT monitor showing a 1280×1024 mode computer display at maximum size, which is a 5:4 ratio, not quite the same as 4:3). The apparent PPI of a monitor depends upon the screen resolution (that is, the number of pixels) and the size of the screen in use; a monitor in 800×600 mode has a lower PPI than does the same monitor in a 1024×768 or 1280×960 mode.

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Old 10-27-2012, 10:58 PM   #307
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Are you not being overly strict in your usage here? Surely, in the context of technology, it is pretty universally inferred that "innovation" means both better and "ahead of the competition." When you additionally include the context of this specific discussion and its related issues, then I think that association between innovation and "better" can be made even stronger. After all, if the "innovation" didn't clearly make a product better, then there would be little reason to charge more for it.

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I don't think I am. A proponent of thing will certainly highlight innovation, but a polite detractor will also. "Well, Mr Smith, your proposal to use genetically engineered electric eels for our city's power needs is certainly innovative, but we've decided to go another way. Security!"

Seriously, one can acknowledge innovative elements in an otherwise flawed product.

I'm not exactly sure what leebase was referring to as innovative in the mini, but I don't see any reason to assume he was referring to the design decisions that Hans mentioned. Unless I missed a post. Which is very possible.

But more to the point, I could not suppress the face-palm reaction to a post saying "You said 'innovative,' and that means 'ahead of the competition' Here, look at the definition..." which clearly says nothing of the sort.

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Old 10-27-2012, 11:30 PM   #308
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I don't think I am. A proponent of thing will certainly highlight innovation, but a polite detractor will also. "Well, Mr Smith, your proposal to use genetically engineered electric eels for our city's power needs is certainly innovative, but we've decided to go another way. Security!"

Seriously, one can acknowledge innovative elements in an otherwise flawed product.
Yes, sure, in general. But, as I said, within the specific context of this discussion -- talking about products already on the market from top technology companies that make consumer electronics -- the word "innovation" is generally inferred to mean something new and better.

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I do. From this: "It took innovation to bring the iPad down to size while remaining enough of an iPad to satisfy the customers. Takes innovation to keep the battery life while shrinking the size and weight of the battery."

This word "innovation" (or any other similar word implying something new and better) simply doesn't belong in this conversation. All Apple did was shrink the iPad down in size. Size in and of itself is not innovation unless it genuinely took some sort of technological or engineering feat to achieve that size. In this case, it did not.

Battery life could have been maintained despite a smaller battery simply by having a smaller screen which is typically one of the biggest drains on battery life. And, as others have pointed out already, other manufacturers such as Samsung were already getting similar battery life with tablets the same size. So it is nothing new or unique.

Forget the semantical slicing and dicing. Look at the iPad Mini objectively and try to say with a straight face that something new and different of a significant nature relative to the marketplace was accomplished here.

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I'm just saying with the 163 PPI (pixels per inch) there is no way that happens by chance they must have had the screens made deliberately with exactly half the pixels. When you take into account almost every other tablet and phone is over the 200 or even 300 ppi limit, simply these days screens that low don't exist unless their made to order.
All the displays Apple use are made to order, they aren't buying their screens off the shelf!
It is 163 ppi because that is the resolution of the pre-retina iPhones, which means that already have all the designs and production requirements sorted out and can just restart production.
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Apparently a lot of fence-sitters got off the fence.
Not necessarily; Kindle Fire was available internationally for the first time from October 25th (mine arrived on the 26th) no cause/effect from the mini <shrug>
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It is 163 ppi because that is the resolution of the pre-retina iPhones, which means that already have all the designs and production requirements sorted out and can just restart production.
iPhone/iPhone 3G: 320x480 (164.83 ppi)
iPhone 4/iPhone 4S: 640x960 @ 3.5" (329.65 ppi)
iPhone 5: 640x1136 @ 4" (325.97 ppi)
iPad/iPad 2:768x1024 @ 9.7" (131.97 ppi)
iPad Mini: 768x1024 @ 7.9" (162.03 ppi)

(my guess is that the various screen sizes are rounded to more pleasing figures and that the PPI listed in the marketing materials is based on the actual screen sizes)

No. The iPhone has nothing to do with the resolution of the Mini. It's all the iPad/iPad 2's (4:3 & 768x1024 (I'm old-fashioned, when I remember to be :P - horizontal should always go first), same as the Mini) fault. The similarities of the PPIs with the original iPhone/iPhone 3G is just coincidence.
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iPad Mini: 768x1024 @ 7.9" (162.03 ppi)
That's just rounding error. I think we'll find that the screen is actually more like 7.85", and the ppi are the same.
The tech specs for the iPhone 3 say: 480-by-320-pixel resolution at 163 ppi
The tech specs for the iPad Mini say: 1024x768 resolution at 163 ppi

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No. The iPhone has nothing to do with the resolution of the Mini. It's all the iPad/iPad 2's (4:3 & 768x1024) fault.
No, it is both.
You could have a 768x1024 screen at whatever size you want.
But a 768x1024 screen at a physical size of 7.85" gives you exactly the same ppi as the iPhone 3. A 7" screen wouldn't have, a 7.5" screen wouldn't have, an 8" screen wouldn't have.
That means that the 44 pixel touch target on the iPad Mini will be exactly the same physical size as the touch target on the iPhone. (Which I imagine would be their answer to anyone pointing out Job's comments about small tablets. Anything you could press on the iPhone you could press on the iPad Mini.)

This was being predicted before the release: http://www.tuaw.com/2012/10/03/why-a...just-workable/

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That means that the 44 pixel touch target on the iPad Mini will be exactly the same physical size as the touch target on the iPhone. (Which I imagine would be their answer to anyone pointing out Job's comments about small tablets. Anything you could press on the iPhone you could press on the iPad Mini.)
Their answer so far has been to simply say they are putting out something superior to a 7" tablet -- almost denying they are now playing in the same market as the Nexus 7 and Kindle tablets. They haven't really addressed Jobs' initial concerns which went well beyond the area needed for a touch target ...

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IOW, Apple simply capitulated to the marketplace by making the Mini and are now glossing over what was stated in the past by Jobs.
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Size in and of itself is not innovation unless it genuinely took some sort of technological or engineering feat to achieve that size.
I agree.
I might argue (if I was pressed to argue) that the iPhone 5 does seem to have some innovation in that regard, for example.
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In this case, it did not.
I'll take your word for it.
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Forget the semantical slicing and dicing. Look at the iPad Mini objectively and try to say with a straight face that something new and different of a significant nature relative to the marketplace was accomplished here.
I have no position in the mini other than it doesn't particularly interest me. But at a glance, as I said, I'll take your word for it. I've seen nothing to suggest you're wrong.

For my part in this sub-thread, I was just amused by the definition post.

However, in the interest of integrating another sub-thread here, I do think the ORIGINAL iPad was innovative in a few ways, mostly involving the whole design+user experience gestalt.

There were tablets before...they were geek toys and not all that practical or popular.

There were smart phones and media players that were easy to use, but limited in what they could be used for, partially because of the size.

Combining the consumer usability, utility, and form factor as the iPad did was innovative, and a hugely successful innovation at that.

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