MTP support: Testers needed - Page 3

RichieTheK · 09-16-2012, 06:14 AM

From what I can tell, Mantano does not make a copy of the book. Mantano does not automatically scan for books, like some other e-reader software. The user must import individual books into Mantano. During the import process, Mantano reads the metadata from the book and stores a pointer to the book's location in it's own database. You can see this pointer in the information you get when you long-press on a book in the book-list.

I tested this by deleting a book outside of Mantano. Mantano still showed the book in it's list because it was only displaying the information from it's database. When I tried to open the book, Mantano reported the book as missing and gave me the option to delete it from the book list.

For myself, when I finish reading a book in Mantano, I will remove it from the book list, but leave it on the device (Mantano gives you this option). Later, I will let Calibre delete it from the device. I think this is a clean way to do things.

I will, however, post a request in the Mantano thread, asking that they add a means of validating the book list, identifying those books that are missing and offering the user the option to delete them.

jackie_w · 09-16-2012, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kovidgoyal

@jackie: Try upgrading to the current WMP (12, I think) and rebooting your computer. According to the Microsoft docs WMP 11 is sufficient, but maybe they are mistaken.

I tried WMP Help > Check for updates and it tells me I'm up-to-date (11.0.5721.5280). When I went to the MS WMP 12 web-page the first thing it says is

Quote:

Designed by media lovers, for media lovers. Windows Media Player 12—available only in Windows 7—plays more music and video than ever!

so I don't think I can update.

kovidgoyal · 09-16-2012, 09:04 AM

@Jackie: Hmm well it looks like your system isn't seeing the device at all, for whatever reason, so calibre can't see it either. calibre uses the windows portable device service to detect the device and if that doesn't see it, then calibre cannot see it either.

JSWolf · 09-16-2012, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jackie_w

I have WinXP SP3 with WMP 11 installed.

Now is a very good time to upgrade to Windows 7.

pollito pito · 09-16-2012, 09:42 AM

The driver works smoothly with the Asus Slider SL101 on Win7. No problems at all to report; copy, move, and delete books as well as news operations, all works as expected: Excellently !!

I would only suggest that “Start wireless device connection” be grayed out upon wired (USB) connection.

A self reminder: Do not forget to click on the donate button!
Thanks a lot!

jackie_w · 09-16-2012, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Now is a very good time to upgrade to Windows 7.

The mere thought makes me wince

Nothing will ever work again. The only good time to upgrade a version of Windows is when you can start afresh on a brand new PC... now there's an idea

theducks · 09-16-2012, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kovidgoyal

@jackie: Try upgrading to the current WMP (12, I think) and rebooting your computer. According to the Microsoft docs WMP 11 is sufficient, but maybe they are mistaken.

@theducks: How did you configure the device, by right clicking on the device icon or by using Preferences->Plugins? If the former, then you should have seen a restart required message.

I will edit the first post to make the procedure for applying the tweak a little more clear.

Preference:Plugins: Device ...

I didn't even see the other (might be because my toolbars are severely customized)

The PI does work, there are now the 2 standard calibre files on the device on both the main and external uSD card

EDIT:
OK, I am just blind

I re-enabled, restarted Calibre and there was the Icon

jackie_w · 09-16-2012, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kovidgoyal

@Jackie: Hmm well it looks like your system isn't seeing the device at all, for whatever reason, so calibre can't see it either. calibre uses the windows portable device service to detect the device and if that doesn't see it, then calibre cannot see it either.

As I mentioned earlier, File Explorer can see it as GT-N7000 #2

Just in case it provides extra info, excluding calibre from the equation, I can drag files from-phone-to-PC but not from-PC-to-phone.

kovidgoyal · 09-16-2012, 10:49 AM

@jackie: That's weird. Explorer on XP is not supposed to be able to browse MTP devices as per the docs I read. Is this device connecting via MTP or is it maybe using some sort of network-over-USB connect? I dont know enough about windows to tell you how to figure that out I'm afraid, but my guess would be go into device manager and look around.

kovidgoyal · 09-16-2012, 10:50 AM

@pollito: Yeah the start wireless device menu entry needs to be grayed out when any device is connected, not just MTP.

theducks · 09-16-2012, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kovidgoyal

@jackie: That's weird. Explorer on XP is not supposed to be able to browse MTP devices as per the docs I read. Is this device connecting via MTP or is it maybe using some sort of network-over-USB connect? I dont know enough about windows to tell you how to figure that out I'm afraid, but my guess would be go into device manager and look around.

My Sansa Clip+ appears in Explorer under "Other"

kovidgoyal · 09-16-2012, 11:09 AM

That's probably being browsed in PTP mode (the precursor to MTP, used mainly for cameras).

chaley · 09-16-2012, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kovidgoyal

@pollito: Yeah the start wireless device menu entry needs to be grayed out when any device is connected, not just MTP.

Uhhh ... why? It you actually use it then it is probably started when calibre starts. Are you planning on shutting it off and restarting it? There is no problem with having the driver running when some non-wireless device is connected. The driver respects the "one device at a time" rule and won't accept wireless connections.

I do think that telling a wireless device that it cannot connect to calibre because calibre is busy servicing another device is a good idea. We will look into doing that.

kovidgoyal · 09-16-2012, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaley

I do think that telling a wireless device that it cannot connect to calibre because calibre is busy servicing another device is a good idea. We will look into doing that.

That is better. The idea is to avoid error messages caused by mutiple device drivers trying to connect to calibre.

chaley · 09-16-2012, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kovidgoyal

@jackie: That's weird. Explorer on XP is not supposed to be able to browse MTP devices as per the docs I read. Is this device connecting via MTP or is it maybe using some sort of network-over-USB connect? I dont know enough about windows to tell you how to figure that out I'm afraid, but my guess would be go into device manager and look around.

My experience is that XP's explorer partially works. Sometimes it sees devices and sometimes it doesn't. When it sees a device there is a large probability that it won't be able to browse the files on the device, but sometimes it can. I was unable to determine exactly what causes the differences and eventually gave it up as a lost cause.

09-16-2012, 06:14 AM	#31
RichieTheK Enthusiast Posts: 36 Karma: 480532 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Chapel Hill, North Carolina, USA Device: Nexus 7 (2012), Samsung Galaxy Pro 8.4	Mantano's Handling of Books From what I can tell, Mantano does not make a copy of the book. Mantano does not automatically scan for books, like some other e-reader software. The user must import individual books into Mantano. During the import process, Mantano reads the metadata from the book and stores a pointer to the book's location in it's own database. You can see this pointer in the information you get when you long-press on a book in the book-list. I tested this by deleting a book outside of Mantano. Mantano still showed the book in it's list because it was only displaying the information from it's database. When I tried to open the book, Mantano reported the book as missing and gave me the option to delete it from the book list. For myself, when I finish reading a book in Mantano, I will remove it from the book list, but leave it on the device (Mantano gives you this option). Later, I will let Calibre delete it from the device. I think this is a clean way to do things. I will, however, post a request in the Mantano thread, asking that they add a means of validating the book list, identifying those books that are missing and offering the user the option to delete them.

09-16-2012, 09:42 AM	#35
pollito pito i warned you ... Posts: 54 Karma: 222 Join Date: Apr 2010 Device: none	Asus Slider SL101 The driver works smoothly with the Asus Slider SL101 on Win7. No problems at all to report; copy, move, and delete books as well as news operations, all works as expected: Excellently !! I would only suggest that “Start wireless device connection” be grayed out upon wired (USB) connection. A self reminder: Do not forget to click on the donate button! Thanks a lot!

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09-16-2012, 09:04 AM	#33
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 43,843 Karma: 22666666 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	@Jackie: Hmm well it looks like your system isn't seeing the device at all, for whatever reason, so calibre can't see it either. calibre uses the windows portable device service to detect the device and if that doesn't see it, then calibre cannot see it either.

09-16-2012, 10:49 AM	#39
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 43,843 Karma: 22666666 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	@jackie: That's weird. Explorer on XP is not supposed to be able to browse MTP devices as per the docs I read. Is this device connecting via MTP or is it maybe using some sort of network-over-USB connect? I dont know enough about windows to tell you how to figure that out I'm afraid, but my guess would be go into device manager and look around.

09-16-2012, 10:50 AM	#40
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 43,843 Karma: 22666666 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	@pollito: Yeah the start wireless device menu entry needs to be grayed out when any device is connected, not just MTP.

09-16-2012, 11:09 AM	#42
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 43,843 Karma: 22666666 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	That's probably being browsed in PTP mode (the precursor to MTP, used mainly for cameras).

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