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Old 08-29-2012, 07:52 PM   #31
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Me too
Me too two (no wait, three). Dumb phone = less stuff to malfunction. They're cheaper upfront therefore I don't worry too much about pitching it and getting another one if I start having problems.

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Old 08-29-2012, 09:40 PM   #32
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Me too two (no wait, three). Dumb phone = less stuff stuff to malfunction. They're cheaper upfront therefore I don't worry too much about pitching it and getting another one if I start having problems.
I never have a problem with my dumb phone, which leads me to wonder why I am even considering getting a smartphone .
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Old 08-29-2012, 09:53 PM   #33
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I never have a problem with my dumb phone, which leads me to wonder why I am even considering getting a smartphone .
If it ain't broke...

throw it against a wall - or just drop it a couple of times...
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I never have a problem with my dumb phone, which leads me to wonder why I am even considering getting a smartphone .
Absolutely yes. Anytime I'm tempted to buy one, I think "Wait...I don't even like talking to people on the phone. Why do I want to spend beaucoup bucks for a device I won't enjoy using?"
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If Samsung came up with all the ideas for the iPhone before Apple, why didn't Samsung produce the iPhone? Or a phone even a tenth as innovative? For years?
Assuming that Samsung came up with the ideas, there are any number of reasons why they didn't produce the iPhone. It takes a lot more than innovation to make a product successful. Marketability, both to the consumer and distribution channels, is a major factor. For devices such as smart phones, having the infrastructure in place matters a lot too (e.g. cellular networks capable of handling the bandwidth).

I am also getting tired of people claiming that Apple is innovative. They do things better than many of their competitors, especially with respect to marketing, and to a lesser degree with product development. Yet I would be hard pressed to call putting components from other vendors, for their intended purposes, innovative. Even the designs aren't terribly innovative. Most of the software UI elements have existed for decades or were implemented ad hoc. Things like case designs have more to do with trends and constraints placed by engineering considerations than anything else.
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Old 08-30-2012, 02:12 AM   #36
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If it ain't broke...

throw it against a wall - or just drop it a couple of times...
Even then it won't break lol





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Absolutely yes. Anytime I'm tempted to buy one, I think "Wait...I don't even like talking to people on the phone. Why do I want to spend beaucoup bucks for a device I won't enjoy using?"

indeed. I fancy myself as a 'creative' person that can use the Note to its fullest lol. I also imagine I will jot notes on it when in reality doing so in an actual notebook is faster and less stressful




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Assuming that Samsung came up with the ideas, there are any number of reasons why they didn't produce the iPhone. It takes a lot more than innovation to make a product successful. Marketability, both to the consumer and distribution channels, is a major factor. For devices such as smart phones, having the infrastructure in place matters a lot too (e.g. cellular networks capable of handling the bandwidth).

I am also getting tired of people claiming that Apple is innovative. They do things better than many of their competitors, especially with respect to marketing, and to a lesser degree with product development. Yet I would be hard pressed to call putting components from other vendors, for their intended purposes, innovative. Even the designs aren't terribly innovative. Most of the software UI elements have existed for decades or were implemented ad hoc. Things like case designs have more to do with trends and constraints placed by engineering considerations than anything else.
That's the magic of marketing
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Old 08-30-2012, 09:58 AM   #37
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If Samsung came up with all the ideas for the iPhone before Apple, why didn't Samsung produce the iPhone? Or a phone even a tenth as innovative? For years?
Management

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1977, I tried to get Fairchild (my employer at the time) to make a digital volume/balance control chip to replace the ganged (fraught with tracking problems), resistive potentiometer level controls found on consumer audio devices. No Go.
Try and find a device today that does NOT use this digital function (the knob you see, may just operate an up/down interrupter)
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Old 08-30-2012, 11:04 AM   #38
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If it absolutely, positively needs to be destroyed overnight...

Throw a Nokia at it.

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Engineers' Creed: If it ain't broke, fix it 'til it is!
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Apple loses claims to “pinch to zoom” patent with USPTO, could impact Samsung case
http://www.talkandroid.com/169782-ap...-samsung-case/

Looks like with all the patent losses Apple has suffered over the last year as well as Samsung getting some of the iphone version banned in US. Samsung is slowly beating Apple in the courts as well not just the market.
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Management

Ever try and get the 'Higher ups' to sign off on a product (development)?

1977, I tried to get Fairchild (my employer at the time) to make a digital volume/balance control chip to replace the ganged (fraught with tracking problems), resistive potentiometer level controls found on consumer audio devices. No Go.
Try and find a device today that does NOT use this digital function (the knob you see, may just operate an up/down interrupter)
I usually see it the other way around. In many European countries engineers run the show. And they never want to change. We had those expensive but extremely limited control panels for machinery (small screen, little memory, no expansion possibilities, limited language display capabilities, difficult to get replacements, etc.) while the competition started to use laptops 10 years ago. Just one example of many. They still haven't changed until this day -- but finally they seem to wise up. After they went through chapter 11 (again!). The engineers though of something (completely removed from any knowledge of what the customers really wanted or needed), designed a much too expensive product and then told the salesmen "you are too stupid to explain it".

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No cities in the US do, and a lot of citizens consider it an unacceptable violation of privacy. Nobody wants to be recorded going into a strip club or sex shop, because of the off chance their spouse might find out.
I don't think it's just "doing evil" that we don't want the government watching. The whole reason there is such outcry against the whole phone records and Internet thing is because America was founded by people who knew what harm governments can do. Now maybe the government in power today will not abuse that information, but who's to say the next one won't? And what groups may be persecuted or found to be "suspicious" and worthy of extra scrutiny? Most innocent behavior, when viewed skeptically and not given the benefit of the doubt, can be considered worthy of prosecution by an over-eager government. Historically, ethnic, racial and religious groups have all been targeted by governments and have faced every form of persecution imaginable. Snooping on its citizens is a very valuable tool for totalitarianism.
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I usually see it the other way around. In many European countries engineers run the show. And they never want to change. We had those expensive but extremely limited control panels for machinery (small screen, little memory, no expansion possibilities, limited language display capabilities, difficult to get replacements, etc.) while the competition started to use laptops 10 years ago. Just one example of many. They still haven't changed until this day -- but finally they seem to wise up. After they went through chapter 11 (again!). The engineers though of something (completely removed from any knowledge of what the customers really wanted or needed), designed a much too expensive product and then told the salesmen "you are too stupid to explain it".
Now, now, don't be too hasty and unkind.

Usually the wall or pedestal/column mounted, rugged touch screen panels and such go in abusive environments.

I can remember "control desks" on a "line" that had metal protective hatches that you would prop open like the hood of a car.

It really depended on the environment.
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Absolutely yes. Anytime I'm tempted to buy one, I think "Wait...I don't even like talking to people on the phone. Why do I want to spend beaucoup bucks for a device I won't enjoy using?"
It's been a while since I've seen anyone talking on a smartphone.
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And what groups may be persecuted or found to be "suspicious" and worthy of extra scrutiny? Most innocent behavior, when viewed skeptically and not given the benefit of the doubt, can be considered worthy of prosecution by an over-eager government. Historically, ethnic, racial and religious groups have all been targeted by governments and have faced every form of persecution imaginable. Snooping on its citizens is a very valuable tool for totalitarianism.
The current government has already started abusing information. Just the latest scandal is that the IRS (US tax agency) has been persecuting conservative political groups (http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/14/politi...tive-targeting is one place to start). All the higher-ups who would have to approve this have been completely denying responsibility and distancing themselves, and the media is letting them get away with it. This should still be a major story, but instead we've heard 100x more on new babies in other countries than a huge corruption scandal in our own government.

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I usually see it the other way around. In many European countries engineers run the show. And they never want to change.
Resistance to change is one of the fundamental human traits, unfortunately.

OT: So far, the only real fallout from this is that bogus patents are being held up to light, and the issues with the USPTO are actually being talked about. So that's all good.

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