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Old 09-04-2012, 10:19 PM   #1
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Apple's Security Through Obscurity Fallacy

A couple of recent stories for the Apple faithful that still think they are secure by default.


Hackers embarrass Apple with massive data leak.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...323611627.html




Can You Really Trust Apple To Protect Your Customer’s Mobile Data?

http://blog.bsminfo.com/do-your-cust...urity-fallacy/
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Old 09-04-2012, 10:28 PM   #2
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so much negativity
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Pot...kettle....black...

You are fueling this as well.
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Old 09-04-2012, 10:43 PM   #4
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The first story said hackers claim to have 12 million iPod, iPad, and iPhone records, today! If you are among them wouldn't you be concerned or like to know? BTW, this isn't just negativity, my son has an iPod! Besides telephone numbers and addresses what other sensitive data do these hackers have?

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Old 09-04-2012, 10:52 PM   #5
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not true. But where Apple concerned? Not matter.

https://twitter.com/FBIPressOffice/s...89221529763840

http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/pre...-of-fbi-laptop
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Old 09-04-2012, 11:03 PM   #6
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The first story said hackers claim to have 12 million iPod, iPad, and iPhone records, today! If you are among them wouldn't you be concerned or like to know? BTW, this isn't just negativity, my son has an iPod! Besides telephone numbers and addresses what other sensitive data do these hackers have?
Probably absolutely nothing if you read some follow-ups on the story that don't (if you look) self-ref the original report... even the original article used the word "alleges/ed" but a good dollop of Apple-knocking and FUD always helps on a thread round here... and you certainly don't want to let facts get in the way or be waited for before screaming "the sky's falling"
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Old 09-04-2012, 11:07 PM   #7
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The FBI is denying they were the source of the leak, NOT that the leak didn't occur.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/st...e-id-hack.html

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The FBI is denying they were the source of the leak, NOT that the leak didn't occur.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/st...e-id-hack.html
So now the claim that the FBI leaked doesn't matter, it's a leak from "somewhere" because "they" (Anonymous etc) say so... that's OK then, good solid, reliable data and sources...
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Old 09-04-2012, 11:41 PM   #9
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So now the claim that the FBI leaked doesn't matter, it's a leak from "somewhere" because "they" (Anonymous etc) say so... that's OK then, good solid, reliable data and sources...

Again, the FBI denied they were the source of the leak. What's hilarious is that people still buy into anything the government denies. The U.S. Government Denies Just About Everything ... Agent Orange.

BTW, the hackers responded with their own tweet on the FBI's feed that said "Wait, what? So because you don't know of any data breach it never happened?

They also said said it publicized the IDs in order to draw attention to the fact that the FBI was compiling such information, and to get people to start asking why the law enforcement agency might be collecting the data, and what they could be doing with it.
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security experts said the file could have come from a number of places.

“There are a million ways this could have happened,” said Marcus Carey, a researcher at Rapid7. “Apple could have been breached. AT&T could have been breached. A video game maker could have been breached. The F.B.I. could have obtained the file while doing forensics on another data breach.”
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/0...e-records/?hpw
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Old 09-05-2012, 12:04 AM   #11
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What does this have to do with security through obscurity?
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Old 09-05-2012, 01:39 AM   #12
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I don't understand either.
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i think he meant that before, apple was touting that their products were "virus-free", when in fact, it only meant that the OS wasn't popular enough (yet) for hackers to target. at least, that's how i understand it.
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So how is it that a security breach of an FBI laptop is Apple's fault?

Seems the only obscurity occurred when the facts got in the way of your dull-ax-to-grind mission.

What I find hilarious is that you whine about the government but advertise a branch of the service as your picture. Is that just to drum up sympathy or empathy for your personal point of view? Is it supposed to add some credence to your buffoonery?
You are a polite and friendly fellow, aren't you?
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