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Old 08-22-2012, 07:35 PM   #61
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I actually know of a handful of authors I will not buy because of how they behaved or because of their politics. I don't care if their work is any good - I don't want to be involved in supporting them.

I know people, for example, who won't buy OS Card because of his religious beliefs and/or statements he's made on his blog.

OS Card (whom I used to LOVE) went quite off the rails. I won't read him anymore, although I feel quite sorry for him (he seems to have taken the nosedive after the death of his child) - not so much because I disagree with him, but because I don't think he has anything more worth saying.

I don't think LMB's words or actions are in the same planet - much less the same ballpark.

YMMV, but I think this brouhaha is pretty small potatoes.
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Old 08-22-2012, 08:43 PM   #62
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I know people, for example, who won't buy OS Card because of his religious beliefs and/or statements he's made on his blog.
Raises hand.

And there are a couple Baen authors I will no longer buy because of the right wing propaganda in current books.

I started this thread and I will say again that Ms. Bujold is completely within her rights to have the CD taken down. That said, the way she went about it was childish and much less than professional.

Oh... And she was still complaining in January of this year, not just October of 2011. See my links above.
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That's what I thought, but then I read the 6 sample chapters. Click on the spoiler tag above to read the cliffhanger. It will drive you nuts and make you want to buy the eARC.
In that case, no thanks.
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Old 08-23-2012, 07:11 PM   #64
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I'm curious if the cd is still available to people buying cryoburn as ebook or if this was changed too.
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Old 08-23-2012, 07:25 PM   #65
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I'm curious if the cd is still available to people buying cryoburn as ebook or if this was changed too.
I bought Cryoburn as part of the monthly bundle and as of yesterday I still had access to the ISO image from the BAEN site. (I downloaded it to verify it, too.)
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I'm curious if the cd is still available to people buying cryoburn as ebook or if this was changed too.
I believe if you buy the Cryoburb ebook, you still get the ISO image as something you can download if you want to.

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And there are a couple Baen authors I will no longer buy because of the right wing propaganda in current books.
I think that qualifies as "avoiding author because of the quality/content of their work", as opposed to "avoiding author because of something they said/wrote online".

I will admit that I almost never buy anything from Tor because it's part of Macmillan even though I like a lot of their authors. While it's probably mostly B&N's fault that I can't download some books I bought before 4/1/10, I still blame Macmillan CEO John Sargent and the late Steve Jobs for the whole agency pricing fiasco. On the other hand, I also think Tor books are generally overpriced.
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Interesting discussion! I had notice the removal of Cryoburn from the Fifth Imperium and a couple similar sites. Kind of made me wonder if this was going to be a trend an if I should download all the remaining ISO's now. Perhaps I'll buy the Nov '10 bundle and get the Cryoburn CD that way.
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Interesting discussion! I had notice the removal of Cryoburn from the Fifth Imperium and a couple similar sites. Kind of made me wonder if this was going to be a trend an if I should download all the remaining ISO's now. Perhaps I'll buy the Nov '10 bundle and get the Cryoburn CD that way.
Or just buy the Cryoburn ebook if the rest of the bundle has no appeal.
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I think that qualifies as "avoiding author because of the quality/content of their work", as opposed to "avoiding author because of something they said/wrote online".

I will admit that I almost never buy anything from Tor because it's part of Macmillan even though I like a lot of their authors. While it's probably mostly B&N's fault that I can't download some books I bought before 4/1/10, I still blame Macmillan CEO John Sargent and the late Steve Jobs for the whole agency pricing fiasco. On the other hand, I also think Tor books are generally overpriced.
Tor is agency. Agency = price hike
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Plus with how long the Fifth Imperium has had the files up with no one complaining (at least as far as I've heard) I don't think it can be claimed that they were pirate books either.
In the past - after I made her CD available - I've seen LMB, herself, mention my site with no particular animosity.

Last November I became aware of her New! Improved! opinion of my site when she repeatedly referred to my site on Baen's Bar as 'that pirate site' and that I was 'giving away her life's work for free'. By the time the discussion thread was pointed out to me, it had petered out and with nothing new added for over two weeks, I declined to comment.

I was, I will admit, not particularly amused.

Prior to Toni dropping me a note after talking with MLB at DeepSouthCon (which I was planning to attend until real-life intervened) I had no direct contact with anyone about it. Certainly not with MLB, herself.
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Crying foul where there was no foul and generally behaving like the Fifth Imperium shot your dog: well that's unfortunate.
I can say, in all honesty, that I did not shoot her dog.
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...but Baen has known about them for years now and could have altered the license on new CD's to prevent that practice.
Jim Baen knew about my CD hosting within the first few weeks, perhaps days, of when I started it.
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In the past - after I made her CD available - I've seen LMB, herself, mention my site with no particular animosity.

Last November I became aware of her New! Improved! opinion (...)

I was, I will admit, not particularly amused.
Remarkable development indeed.
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Well, yes, if it was a mistake to release the CD under those terms, then it certainly wasn't fifthimperium's mistake.

There's no need to throw out the baby with the bathwater, though. Bujold is probably Baen's best writer. People can be wrong, sometimes.
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