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Old 09-07-2013, 10:34 AM   #631
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I need your opinion!

Here's something that I just realized when updating the first post.

I think that the "new" layout which has the item name (usually book/collection) at the top, and the "other information" (author/number of items) at the bottom is quite good, and definitely more informative than the previous one.

However, this also leads to the problem that this information is no longer horizontally aligned with the information at the right side (number of collections that contain this item). And I found this to at least be potentially confusing - especially with short titles, it may actually be quite difficult to correctly associate the "left end" of the screen with the "right end", in particular if the bottom panel is hidden (see 3rd picture of first post of the thread). At least that's my impression.

Because this is quite hard to explain, and because a few pictures say more than 782 words, you'll find attached a few experimental variants of the UI.

The "white" variant is essentially what the UI looks like right now. The "black" variant is the extreme case to demonstrate the (intended) effect. And the "gray"/"lightgray"/"subtle"/"very subtle" are simply variants with different colors (the last picture, vsubtle_empty, shows the effect in a "maximized" CM where not all rows are populated).

So, I have two questions:

1. Do you think that it makes sense at all to have these visual "separators", or do you find them unnecessary/distracting/ugly/whatever ? Or am I just trying to solve a non-existant problem, because there is no need for such visual help at all?

2. If you think that makes sense, then which version do you prefer? I personally think that something rather light would do fine, because it does not distract/disturb too much, but still gives enough visual guidance. In fact, my favorite would be the "very subtle" one. What do you think?

Thanks for your feedback!
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Old 09-07-2013, 10:58 AM   #632
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If you really, really want to 'fix' something -

I find the identical icons used for both the 'Move' and the 'Copy' operations very confusing.

Identical icons used for two different purposes sort of defeats the principle of having icons in the first place.
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Old 09-07-2013, 11:23 AM   #633
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Hello, ixtab! You were really quick off the mark with a revised version of CM for the new paperwhite update 5.3.8..
but i'm still hesitating to do the OS update.. don't know how other stuff like kual, usbnetwork.. will be affected..

Regarding your requested feedback:
  • new layout - slight misalignment between right and left sides is almost unnoticeable.. no need to change
  • horizontal borderlines between rows - my preference is also for the most subtle one.. one more thought is to have a light background for alternate rows.. but maybe that would generate more frequent ghosting..?
  • like knc1, i too felt that the copy and move icons need to be more differentiated.. though the existing difference is quite logical: copy icon has shaded corners for both pages.. whereas move icon has for only one.... but not easily visible.. (enlarged close up attached)
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Old 09-07-2013, 11:24 AM   #634
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@knc1:
Hehe... they're not identical, just very slightly different.

I'm personally a total idiot with anything images/graphics, and nobody liked my original icons - so we went for rorogio's. Even if I wanted to, I couldn't change them (Not because of any license or so - I'm just totally incapable in that regard)


EDIT: Here's a very quick search that shows the original icons: https://bitbucket.org/ixtab/ktcollec...ons/g_cpdn.png

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Old 09-07-2013, 11:49 AM   #635
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@ixtab: I think I like the vsubtle variant too. Might even be more subtle with a dotted line, instead of a full one, if possible?

EDIT: Ooh, nasser's idea of alternating background color between odd/even rows is pretty neat too, and what GTK/QT does for this kind of stuff, although I have no idea how it would actually look on an eInk panel...

About the icons, yeah, it's subtle, but I actually like that the meaning is somewhat made clear (the source entry 'disappears' to move to the target), although I might just be used to it because I know where it is, and I remember the old ones :?.

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Old 09-07-2013, 12:04 PM   #636
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I had thought about the "alternating background" too, but a) it's MUCH more complicated than this solution (because I'm really only setting the background color of the pane that the entries get painted on - they are spaced by 5px, so it's actually the backgound "shining through"), and b) I somehow think it would be too distracting. Even with only slight color differences, I figure the entire screen would look somewhat like a zebra , not terribly appealing. Just my intuition though, I haven't really tried it yet.

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Old 09-07-2013, 12:40 PM   #637
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Of course, I hadn't even thought of the simplest solution of all: simply align the (contained in) count with the actual title.

So, in the good old tradition of german dictatorship, where other voices are simply ignored , you're now left with only two choices: no lines, or very subtle lines.

Which do you prefer?
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Old 09-07-2013, 12:43 PM   #638
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@ixtab: Hmm, with the count aligned on 'top', I think I prefer without the lines, it's a bit asymmetric otherwise.
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Old 09-07-2013, 01:01 PM   #639
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i'll go for with subtle lines..
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Old 09-07-2013, 01:06 PM   #640
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@ixtab: Hmm, with the count aligned on 'top', I think I prefer without the lines, it's a bit asymmetric otherwise.
Yep, you're right. It kinda seems to "hang" to the left with the lines. Weird.

OK, so all of the proposals are open again for discussion. Lines or no lines in various shades, top-aligned or "middled" count. No alternating colors though, that looks ugly

And now I'll just try to shut up for... a day or so, and will listen to you guys
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Old 09-07-2013, 01:32 PM   #641
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I prefer the no lines design.

as for the copy and move icons, I also find them difficult to differentiate. may I suggest that for the copy icon, the characters "x2" be added to the design, such as this sample:

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Concerning the icons: I'm open to any suggestions, and the original author (rorogio) has agreed to release all his work under the WTFPL. In other words: If somebody is skilled enough to provide enhanced/modified (or even completely new) images, I'll happily include them. Provided that you also agree to the WTFPL, that is

For reference, the currently used icons are here.
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Old 09-07-2013, 08:11 PM   #643
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Hello
I have a KT and just installed the 5.3.7 fw. until today it worked very well the CM but not now. Here is the message that I get.

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I have the bridge jailbreak, prerequisites, kindlet-jailbreak.

Will I be able to function in some way again?

Sorry for my english

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Old 09-08-2013, 07:17 AM   #644
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aaaaand Where is the log?

Slap it up!

(like it says it will be in a folder called /developer/blah/blah...... in the kindle when you mount it to your PC.)
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Old 09-08-2013, 08:32 AM   #645
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aaaaand Where is the log?

Slap it up!

(like it says it will be in a folder called /developer/blah/blah...... in the kindle when you mount it to your PC.)
Hi Twobob

Here I put the crash file

crash.txt

Thanks for answering so fast
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