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Old 07-30-2012, 03:14 AM   #106
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Now, now... Apple knows what's best for us. Android is like the unmarried aunt who visits and spoils you rotten by giving you things you're not ready for; while Apple is the parent who knows when you're ready for something and then, and only then, will allow you to have it.

Good mommy Apple -- bad aunty Android
I thought you meant to say Apple is the girl your mom wants you to marry and Android is the hot chick down the road...
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Old 07-30-2012, 03:18 AM   #107
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There was nothing worth upgrading for between the 4 and the 4S, so that'd mean more than 2 years now to get something worth upgrading for (LTE, or a screen that gets on par with what Android offered 3 years ago, or free turn by turn navigation, which we've enjoyed for 2 or 3 years now). Of course, there's no reason you couldn't get the turn by turn to work on the 4 or 4S (after all, I have turn by turn working on my HTC G1 from 2009), but you want to bet apple will sing the usual song, "the hardware is not up to par"?
Somehow Apple managed to put a spin on that move from iphone 4 to 4S and turn the public perception to perceive it as a "major upgrade", due to Siri. This will be an important case study for "Marketing 101" classes for decades to come. But I doubt they can keep it up.
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Old 07-30-2012, 03:51 AM   #108
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I thought you meant to say Apple is the girl your mom wants you to marry and Android is the hot chick down the road...
That works too; and I'll take the hot one
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You are misunderstanding my post, it's not about Apple vs Samsung. I don't own stock in any so I don't care who is doing better than the other.
The post was about choice vs none and how the human population as a whole will prefer a choice vs none. Granted there are many who are perfectly fine without choices.

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The sales you mention were mostly the same of one or two or three models across multiple carriers in multiple countries -- which is exactly what Apple does.

Also of note -- they sold more, but Apples sales still grew. So Samsung is taking customers, not away from Apple, but from other vendors. When iPhone sales decline, then Samsung can say that they are hurting Apple.
Until then, all we know is that its a market big and comfortable enough for multiple players - just as it has always been (samsung and apple are the new Nokia, RIM and Motorola)
All of your comments are incorrect. Samsung has a wide range of phones, let's not include color or older models since both providers offer that option as well.
That said I can think of at least 6 different products Samsung offer here in the states and I know of a few other that are sold in other posts of the world.

Apple grew that is true, but for the first time since they released the iPhone have failed to meet their expected sales. They fell short by more than a million smartphone sales.

Also you can't blame the market for that , smartphone sales doubled from last year. Unfortunately Samsung is behind most of that growth...I would have rather has an even pie chart where all vendors are doing well.
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for the first time since they released the iPhone have failed to meet their expected sales. They fell short by more than a million smartphone sales.
This is false. They met their own guidance -- fell short in wallstreet analyst guesses. Samsung won't tell its breakdown by device so we won't ever know.
But it's pretty sure that Note and Galaxy S family are what drive sales.

The reason for the softer sales is everyone is waiting for release of iPhone 5. Those numbers won't be seen for two more quarters.

http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/07...rtphone-sales/

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Combined, the iPhone netted 58 percent of smartphone sales from the two largest US carriers, which share two-thirds of the US mobile market. Most of the remaining sales were shared among various Android device makers.
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It’s a testimony to just how remarkable Apple’s last few years have been that 23 percent year-over-year growth looks so bad
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2012/07/24/aapl-charts

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The reason for the softer sales is everyone is waiting for release of iPhone 5. Those numbers won't be seen for two more quarters.
Good luck with that. All you'll get is an elongated 2 years old phone (will be fun to see how the '3.5" is godsend' brigade spins this one). And maybe Apple will sell a "hand stretcher" so your thumb can now reach the opposite corner of the screen, iStretcher?
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Good luck with that. All you'll get is an elongated 2 years old phone
but having that choice is good, right?


(some people - ok lots - like the way their current phone works and just want refreshed hardware -- they do not race from new technology to new techlogy like us)
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but having that choice is good, right?
Certainly. I would say that "having choice" includes more than simply "black or white"? "32gb or 64gb"?
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"having choice" includes more than simply "black or white"? "32gb or 64gb"?
their sales would indicate otherwise, but Ok.
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Internals will be new. New version of iOS too. Only outside the same.

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Internals will be new. New version of iOS too. Only outside the same.

New as in LTE? Well, that's not new, it's been available for a while.
New as in larger screen? Ditto.
New as in NFC? Ditto.

Really, what's new?
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New as in LTE? Well, that's not new, it's been available for a while.
New as in larger screen? Ditto.
New as in NFC? Ditto.

Really, what's new?
But the NFC will be a new NFC not compatible with Googles NFC...
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But the NFC will be a new NFC not compatible with Googles NFC...
Seriously? What's the point of communications standards?*
I guess folks should be grateful that Apple allows the iPhone to make calls to other brands of phone.....

*Not that I really care about NFC one way or the other.
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I guess folks should be grateful that Apple allows the iPhone to make calls to other brands of phone.....

*Not that I really care about NFC one way or the other.
Well, that was what was hinted at some time ago. But maybe they have changed there mind and it will be compatible. I assume you can never know for sure since they never release information before the release.
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Seriously? What's the point of communications standards?*
I guess folks should be grateful that Apple allows the iPhone to make calls to other brands of phone.....

*Not that I really care about NFC one way or the other.
Actually there are some pretty cool uses for NFC. I have ordered a batch of NFC stickers myself; I plan on using them to change settings (like enable Bluetooth and GPS when in the car), or enable WiFi and change volume when getting home and so on.
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