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Old 11-24-2011, 03:51 AM   #1
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Eric Flint's 1632 series question

if anybody has read these could you please provide a proper reading order list? there's like 50 different books and side stories and i can't make heads or tails of a proper order. thanks.
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In the afterword for 1636: the Saxon Uprising, Eric Flint says this about the reading order:

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Whenever someone asks me “what’s the right order?” for reading the 1632 series, I’m always tempted to respond: “I have no idea. What’s the right order for studying the Thirty Years’ War? If you find it, apply that same method to the 1632 series.”

However, that would be a bit churlish—and when it comes down to it, authors depend upon the goodwill of their readers. So, as best I can, here goes.

The first book in the series, obviously, is 1632. That is the foundation novel for the entire series and the only one whose place in the sequence is definitely fixed.

Thereafter, you should read either the anthology titled Ring of Fire or the novel 1633, which I co-authored with David Weber. It really doesn’t matter that much which of these two volumes you read first, so long as you read them both before proceeding onward. That said, if I’m pinned against the wall and threatened with bodily harm, I’d recommend that you read Ring of Fire before you read 1633.

That’s because 1633 has a sequel which is so closely tied to it that the two volumes almost constitute one single huge novel. So, I suppose you’d do well to read them back to back.

That sequel is 1634: The Baltic War, which I also co-authored with David Weber. 1632, 1633, 1634: The Baltic War, 1635: The Eastern Front and this novel constitutes what can be considered the “main line” or even the spinal cord of the entire series. Why? First, because it’s in these five novels that I depict the major political and military developments that have a tremendous impact on the entire complex of stories. Secondly, because these “main line” volumes focus on certain key characters in the series—Mike Stearns and Rebecca Abrabanel, first and foremost, as well as Gretchen Richter and Jeff Higgins.

Once you’ve read 1632, Ring of Fire, 1633 and 1634: The Baltic War, you will have a firm grasp of the basic framework of the series. From there, you can go in one of two directions: either read 1634: The Ram Rebellion or 1634: The Galileo Affair.

There are advantages and disadvantages either way. 1634: The Ram Rebellion is an oddball volume, which has some of the characteristics of an anthology and some of the characteristics of a novel. It’s perhaps a more challenging book to read than the Galileo volume, but it also has the virtue of being more closely tied to the main line books. Ram Rebellion is the first of several volumes which basically run parallel with the main line volumes but on what you might call a lower level of narrative. A more positive way of putting that is that these volumes depict the changes produced by the major developments in the main line novels, as those changes are seen by people who are much closer to the ground than the statesmen and generals who figure so prominently in books like 1632, 1633, and 1634: The Baltic War.

Of course, the distinction is only approximate. There are plenty of characters in the main line novels—Thorsten Engler and Eric Krenz spring immediately to mind—who are every bit as “close to the ground” as any of the characters in 1634: The Ram Rebellion.

Whichever book you read first, I do recommend that you read both of them before you move on to 1634: The Bavarian Crisis. In a way, that’s too bad, because Bavarian Crisis is something of a direct sequel to 1634: The Baltic War. The problem with going immediately from Baltic War to Bavarian Crisis, however, is that there is a major political development portrayed at length and in great detail in 1634: The Galileo Affair which antedates the events portrayed in the Bavarian story.

Still, you could read any one of those three volumes—to remind you, these are 1634: The Ram Rebellion, 1634: The Galileo Affair and 1634: The Bavarian Crisis—in any order you choose. Just keep in mind that if you read the Bavarian book before the other two you will be getting at least one major development out of chronological sequence.

After those three books are read . . .

Again, it’s something of a toss-up between three more volumes: the second Ring of Fire anthology and the two novels, 1635: The Cannon Law and 1635: The Dreeson Incident. On balance, though, I’d recommend reading them in this order because you’ll get more in the way of a chronological sequence:

Ring of Fire II
1635: The Cannon Law
1635: The Dreeson Incident

The time frame involved here is by no means rigidly sequential, and there are plenty of complexities involved. To name just one, my story in the second Ring of Fire anthology, the short novel “The Austro-Hungarian Connection,” is simultaneously a sequel to Virginia’s story in the same anthology, several stories in various issues of the Gazette—as well as my short novel in the first Ring of Fire anthology, “The Wallenstein Gambit.”

What can I say? It’s a messy world—as is the real one. Still and all, I think the reading order recommended above is certainly as good as any and probably the best.

We come now to Virginia DeMarce’s 1635: The Tangled Web. This collection of inter-related stories runs parallel to many of the episodes in 1635: The Dreeson Incident and lays some of the basis for the stories that will be appearing in the anthology, 1635: The Wars on the Rhine (forthcoming, no date yet). The Tangled Web is also where the character of Tata, who figures in Eastern Front and Saxon Uprising, is first introduced in the series.

You can then go back to the “main line” of the series and read 1635: The Eastern Front and the volume you hold in your hand, 1636: The Saxon Uprising. (Yes, I realize how silly it is to tell someone to read a novel who presumably just got finished doing so. But you never know. There are people in the world—I’m one of them, as it happens—who read afterwords before they read the book they’re in.)

That leaves the various issues of the Gazette, which are really hard to fit into any precise sequence. The truth is, you can read them pretty much any time you choose.

It would be well-nigh impossible for me to provide any usable framework for the thirty-four electronic issues of the magazine, so I will restrict myself simply to the five volumes of the Gazette that have appeared in paper editions. With the caveat that there is plenty of latitude, I’d suggest reading them as follows:

Read Gazette I after you’ve read 1632 and alongside Ring of Fire. Read Gazettes II and III alongside 1633 and 1634: The Baltic War, whenever you’re in the mood for short fiction. Do the same for Gazette IV, alongside the next three books in the sequence, 1634: The Ram Rebellion, 1634: The Galileo Affair and 1634: The Bavarian Crisis. Then read Gazette V after you’ve read Ring of Fire II, since my story in Gazette V is something of a direct sequel to my story in the Ring of Fire volume. You can read Gazette V alongside 1635: The Cannon Law and 1635: The Dreeson Incident whenever you’re in the mood for short fiction.

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For those of you who dote on lists, here it is. But do keep in mind, when you examine this neatly ordered sequence, that the map is not the territory.


1632
Ring of Fire
1633
1634: The Baltic War

(Somewhere along the way, after you’ve finished 1632, read the stories and articles in the first three paper edition volumes of the Gazette.)

1634: The Ram Rebellion
1634: The Galileo Affair
1634: The Bavarian Crisis

(Somewhere along the way, read the stories and articles in the fourth paper edition volume of the Gazette.)

Ring of Fire II
1635: The Cannon Law
1635: The Dreeson Incident
1635: The Tangled Web

(Somewhere along the way, read the stories in Gazette V.)

1635: The Eastern Front
1636: The Saxon Uprising
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Old 11-24-2011, 04:42 AM   #3
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thanks, i've bookmarked this page for future reference. i was just absolutely lost as i was seeing whats available.
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Sorry....

I'm afraid I have to peek up from above the parapet and say I heartily disliked the bit I've read of his work.

I gave , I think, the 1632 a fairly decent go, more out of a sort of disbelief I supppose.
It was my first ebook....
I found the basic concept admirable, and a real new twist....but then it started to descend the hill pretty rapidly.
Frankly the gung ho, slap 'em down, shoot 'em first, almost glorification of violence, wrapped up in a cloak of necessity, bored me no end.
I suppose I kept going as long as I did because hoped felt there might be a saving grace - beyond the original excellent idea.

Sadly, it never came.

But that's solely my opinion, and probably not shared by anyone who wants more of it !
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Old 11-25-2011, 09:10 AM   #5
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I enjoyed the first three books, the rest got mired down in endless political bunkum.

Not my cup of tea at all.
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I have enjoyed the series a great deal, especially those written by Eric himself. These aren't just shoot-em-ups, which I find frankly boring. But there's some serious science, engineering and historical thought that went into them. Plus it's refreshing to have the UMWA be the heros. That being said, some of the books have been less successful, IMHO. Specifically, the ones by Virginia DeMarco I have not enjoyed.
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I have enjoyed the series a great deal, especially those written by Eric himself. These aren't just shoot-em-ups, which I find frankly boring. But there's some serious science, engineering and historical thought that went into them. Plus it's refreshing to have the UMWA be the heros. That being said, some of the books have been less successful, IMHO. Specifically, the ones by Virginia DeMarco I have not enjoyed.
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Bumping up an old thread

Just about finished with 1632 when I thought about a search of MobileRead to see what other comments I could find. Thanks to pdurrant's comment, I've got a better handle on a confusing series.

I'm personally really enjoying 1632 and will continue with a few more, at leasts.
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The good ones are really good and the bad ones are terrible.
Stay away from any written by Virginia DeMarce.
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I read up to 1634: The Galileo Affair. That book really cooled my interest in the series, which is a shame as I enjoyed the first few books.
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Oh my...! I've been looking at Amazon reviews of the books she's connected with and it isn't often I see 71 reviews with 55 1 and 2 stars. Yeah, I think I'll stay away from Ms. DeMarce.
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Stay away from any written by Virginia DeMarce.
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Yup, we completely agree on this. She is just awful. The ones in the main story line, written by Eric himself or Eric + Weber, are excellent. And many of the short stories that appeared in the Grantville Gazette are fine, though they are the usual mixed bag overall. But DeMarce can kill your interest in ever reading again.
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I read up to 1634: The Galileo Affair. That book really cooled my interest in the series, which is a shame as I enjoyed the first few books.
Yeah my son just discovered this series thanks to some old books of mine. His experience parallels yours almost exactly.

I think too many people see the dollar signs of a successful series and start to think that if an idea might make a successful 2 or 3 volume story arc, it might make an even more successful 12 or 20 volume story arc.

Authors and publishers need to ask themselves where "Wheel of Time" started to get crappy, and just how long before "Game of Thrones" becomes a chore to read? (not long, I'm thinking)
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I enjoyed the first three books, the rest got mired down in endless political bunkum.
That's similar to my experience. I thoroughly enjoyed the first couple but after that the diplomacy and politics eventually made me lose interest.

Shame, as I really did enjoy the ones I liked!
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